The mother of all cons...

[Bemorebeth]

Apologies if there is another thread on this. Couldn't see one.

Thoughts?

I wondered about Megs voice messages to her friends group chat saying how scared she was about her op and when her friend described Beth having to give her CPR , all very strange.
I wonder if she (Meg) was scamming them too for the attention or if she really believed she was having life threatening surgery.
Her friends were all clearly traumatised by the whole thing.

I just watched this. Something I don’t understand is the visits her 2 friends made Meg at the hospital when she had some sort of surgery on her head, how could that be?

Also the huge amount of medication she showed them in the pictures! It seems impossible for someone to have access to so much medication if they don’t need it. It’s no wonder people around her believed it.

Jean got away with it! She should be in jail!!!

I see a previous poster picked up on Jean and Meg being quite scruffy at these posh events. It was an interesting detail for Jean in particular as a woman with a pretension to the finer things - Harrods pharmacy, fundraising galas in posh venues. She always looked quite scruffy

Exactly, sort your bloody hair out.

Thing is if you keep going to the Drs claiming various symptoms enough they will investigate so it’s quite possible she was in hospital for investigations but told her friends it was for her brain tumour. She kept claiming excruciating headaches but how do you prove someone hasn’t? On her final visit to hospital where she actually died she was again claiming tge excruciating headaches and they thought the shunt wasn’t working properly. They couldn’t find a reason at first and she kept prevaricating regarding a test which would have tested fluid from her spine. However the post mortem didn’t find any evidence of pressure in her brain or any other abnormalities. Either she never had IIH in the first place and her mother managed to give her something to fake symptoms or she did have it and managed to regulate it and reverse it.

The fact she had a shunt fitted doesn’t necessarily support the fact she needed it just that they’d managed to con a Dr that they did. Gypsy Rose Blanchard’s mother managed to persuade doctors that her daughter needed a feeding tube despite there never being anything wrong with her.

I thought the same re tge events. A lot of it seemed to be things adults would like to do rather than children. Also tge same children seemed to be invited when surely it should have been offered to more children.

When they were going to the Palace the mother was all excited that the girls’ dresses were designed by some designer with Royal connections I thought what six year old would care about that? The dresses themselves literally looked like a run of the mill party dress from Next so didn’t seem particularly ‘special’ or ‘princessy. Also can’t imagine any young boy being happy trussed up in a suit. It seemed more about the spectacle and photo opportunity than anything else. It seemed very much geared to girls. There was never anything mentioned about anything less stereotypically girly that they did?

No doubt Jean & Meg were given a huge speech at all of these events & thrived in all the attention whilst conning people with the guise of charity fundraising. It's how some celebrities were able to get away with abuse behind the scenes, ie making friends with people in the public eye and seen to do so much 'good' that nobody stopped to think if it was really all as good as it seems

Originally they were supposed to fly much higher, 2000 instead of 500, but megan said she couldn't bear the pain. Things seem to have been going fine until the heater broke at which point megan deteriorated and the pilots were becoming ill as well. Originally, they would have stopped along the way to America, the pilot mentions how he knew stopping was the sensible thing to do, but they felt megan would die if they did.

It's very sad, seems many things went wrong. I imagine it would still have been a difficult flight but having to fly much lower than they planned, megan becoming ill, the heater breaking and the terrible weather all contributed to it being a life or death situation. It really seems that everything that could have gone wrong, did.

Honestly I'm suprised the airline or the pilots have begun their own legal proceedings.

Originally, they would have stopped along the way to America, the pilot mentions how he knew stopping was the sensible thing to do, but they felt megan would die if they did

I might have not been concentrating, but I thought they stopped in Iceland, where Megan suddenly felt better and was skating about on the ice on the runway? There was a cartoon section representing the skating.

I agree.

Utter monster. Really should be locked up. They were very afraid of her.

Will wasn't well was he?

I’m so puzzled by Will. I got the impression he was in love with Meg. I can’t figure out if he genuinely believed in all of their bullshit or if he was lying too

Yes I couldn't figure Will out. He seemed an odd mix of indignant, bewildered, in denial and evasive. How did he not know where Meg went when she got off the plane?

That flight does sound bonkers, do heaters often break down on these planes or should it have not been flying at such a ridiculously low level?

Will was not of this world. He was obviously taken in by her mum.

Yes, poor guy.

It was the same families who benefited time and time again.

I was unaware of another daughter until this thread. I’ll definitely add it to the list of podcasts, thanks. I dont tend to listen to podcasts that often but where I have, after watching a documentary I have definitely found them a lot more informative and in depth, so I’m going to make an effort to listen to this one. I remember watching the doc Sweet Bobby and being left with all these questions, so I listened to the podcast that was based on and it was way weirder and wtf than the Netflix doc was! BTW, if you haven’t watched/listened to both of those I would definitely recommend doing so. Doc first and then podcast.

I’ve just started to listen to the podcast. Forcing myself to do some housework so I can listen to it! I’m on ep2.

Ha ha that’s what I did - continued doing housework just to listen to it 😂

I have just started Sweet Bobby so when I get round to the podcast I’m going to clean my windows 😂

Watched Maternal Instinct on Netflix this morning - that was a bloody shocker!

7 hours flying non stop, in freezing and hazardous conditions.. and no autopilot option! Assuming the Norwegian female Copilot took over at some point?
I may have missed that.
It was insane!

Enjoy Sweet Bobby! The podcast is even weirder, but it’ll answer a lot of the questions you’ll be left with. I remember I was away when I was listening to it and just playing back some of the weird bits to my oh, or just giving him a rundown of some of the crazy 😂
I think I watched Maternal Instinct! It sounds familiar. Ok, have just double checked on Netflix and no, I haven’t seen that yet, I did watch the trailer, it looked like yet another WTF doc so had added it to my list for when it dropped. I didn’t realise it had yet. I’m going to watch that shortly, and I’ll come back! 😄
eta: didn’t get any further than 2nd ep of Believe In Magic so far, but will try and listen to some more of it later when I’ve got stuff to do!

If you want to discuss the Sweet Bobby podcast (and doc) after you’ve finished I’d be happy to! 😆

I just looked at that thinking I wanted another interesting podcast to listen to, but I've already heard it. These con artists are fascinating, I do feel awful for the people who get caught up in it as it has devastating consequences.

if it hadnt been for johanna exposing the lie that meg would still be alive

Yes, what did he mean there?

I'm probably wrong, but I understood him as meaning that because Joanna was exposing the truth of what was happening, Jean had to do away with Meg so that things couldn't be investigated further.

She could have easily have died of a morphine overdose, either inadvertent or intentional - she was taking so much, in unregulated amounts, that I don't know how a post-mortem could pick this up.

And while she was alive it would be so easy for Jean to present Meg as "ill" by putting her into opiate withdrawal - she'd be unwell, pale, sweaty, in pain, vomiting, unable to walk - and people would assume it was from the "brain tumour".

The young woman who spoke about being a victim of Munchausen's BP from her own mother said that her mother would emply or alter the amount in her morphine capsules - it would be easy to do similar with morphine liquid.