Anyone watching Channel 5's Under Suspicion Kate McCann?

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It was on last night

I agree with what you said about the Portuguese police.

Agree with all of this.

A busy main road, doors left unlocked it was an incredibly risky situation, plus the woman above heard them crying the night before. So they were waking up.

Also it was some way from the restaurant if you look at the map.

They are middle class by profession only, not by their upbringing - Kate sounds like a character from Harry Enfield's 'Scousers' and Gerry sounds like a menacing Jimmy from the council estate where my best friend still lives - very much like my grandfather, who was also a 'Jimmy'. This is a recent phenomenon, that you can become 'middle class by profession' without having to leave your roots behind. And it is a wonderful thing for social mobility that they are accepted as 'middle class'. Positive changes in our society.

Obviously.

I was referring to the ghouls who watch this sort of shit on the telly.

Ahh sorry and it should say *didnt

What a horrible attitude. I’m not even sure what your point is.

They have non RP accents. Shock horror. People who sound Liverpudlian or Glaswegian can’t ever be anything other than working class. Don’t want the provinces getting above themselves do we?

I think the social class point is because commenters always claim on threads about the McCanns that, had they been WC, they'd have had SS involvement for child neglect, and possibly had their other children removed. That poster was saying that they're both WC by birth, and only MC 'by profession' because they are both medics, a traditionally MC job.

So you must think she is still in the apartment as no one has seen her leave.

I think that this family have suffered enough. Just leave them be.

They're the ones that have kept the publicity going for over 20 years

We were in Portugal shortly after this, with our 3 young DC and I couldn't ever imagine having left ours to go off for dinner. Anyone could walk into the apartment complex, and wander round. We took it in turns to go for a swim once the kids were asleep and would get food/ brought it back to the room.

I'm not honestly sure how the McCann's have lived with the consequences of their actions to be honest. It was child neglect.

Well we do know she's not in the apartment. The Macanns had everyone and their dog traipsing through it before the police arrived so definitely not in there. However, no one has seen her since that last sighting at the holiday club other than the Macann party. Its a long time period.

I think you missed the point I was making.

The person I quoted said if she had left the apartment she would have been seen. As she hasn’t been seen leaving the logical assumption is she is still there.

I know she isn’t but I am asking the person I quoted what she thinks.

The point isn't related to the wild speculation about her being dead days ahead of the official story, it's about the fact that the regimen of checking on the kids was nothing like as frequent or a thorough as the McCann's made out, and that the child could well have been missing from the apartment for hours before Kate McCann discovered her absence.

The point is, the people who are adamant Christian Breukner is the killer are overlooking the fact the German Police failed to have him detained by German courts, so the obviously can't have that strong a case against him. It's also relevant that they put him on trial in Braunschweig for two cases of child abuse, and that case fell apart due to lack of evidence and he was entirely acquitted, which suggests the German Police are not entirely infallible when it comes to the question of guilt and responsibility.

You don’t understand crime at all.

Thirdly, it later became known that the local police had turned a blind eye to breaking and entering and petty theft all along that resort, possibly because they were mates with the local criminals, it seems likely.

Tourist areas are often hotspots for theft.

That why you tend to not leave valuables unattended.

Yes ‘only’ by profession, not proper middle class

Ok Inspector Clouseau

I’m fully expecting this thread to disappear in a puff of smoke any moment because MNHQ don’t seem to like any discussion of the McCann’s even just stating facts.

But before it does, one thing which I always wondered is whether the refusal to participate in a reconstruction was because of the point @XDownwiththissortofthingXmakes about their timeline of checking on the toddlers not necessarily matching up with the reality.

I remember (I think from Kate McCann’s book) that they stated there was no value in staging a reconstruction and that the police should just be searching. They seemed to miss the whole point of a reconstruction: it’s not about providing an instant result in finding a missing person, it’s all about triangulating information/ people’s accounts to come with a clear as possible picture of what happened. For example, Person A might remember a man in black trousers and a pink shirt walking past the window of a restaurant but they wouldn’t remember an exact time. If Person B remembers that same figure half a mile along the road and happened to be on their phone so knew the time was 9:15, it will give a fairly good estimate of when the man was by the restaurant. It’s all about piecing together the different parts of the jigsaw. It always struck me as odd that the McCanns were not prepared to take part in a reconstruction which inevitably leads one to question the truth of their own timeline.

No I won’t watch it, I think everything has been said about this case

Apart from that’s not what the book said was it?

At that time they hadn’t had their ‘arguido’ statuses lifted, and their tapas friends were reluctant to go given the behaviour of the Portuguese police and the lack of clear rights and boundaries around the whole thing. They were worried it was an implication exercise, not unreasonably as the police had already accused one of the friends of ‘being involved in the abduction’.

If you had small children and a job in the UK, would you fly to a foreign jurisdiction knowing you would be in legally shady waters and they might find a reason to detain you or worse?

I’m fully expecting this thread to disappear in a puff of smoke any moment because MNHQ don’t seem to like any discussion of the McCann’s even just stating facts.

I suspect the McCanns are very litigious. And I suspect well protected.

They would not have had their other kids taken.

They were parents who got their risk assessment badly wrong and the highest price was paid.

Do you really think they were an ongoing risk to their kids? Or that they would have gone on hol the next year and done the same thing?

Or that the traumatised twins would have benefitted form MORE trauma in being wrenched from their parents and put with foster carers?

Are you an experienced social worker who could vouch for the fact that children would be removed under those circumstances? And if wc?

It seems to me that the bar is vey very low (or high, if you like) for the removal of children and there are many children who have been left in the care of violent / addicted / non engaged parents.