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Anyone watching Channel 5's Under Suspicion Kate McCann?

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ilovebrie8 · 21/05/2026 09:14

It was on last night

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crossedlines · Yesterday 10:23

LBFseBrom · Yesterday 09:56

Yes.
People relish the mistakes of others.

It’s not relishing the mistakes of others. Why would anyone relish a situation where the victim is a wholly innocent child? Whatever happened to her, Madeleine is the victim here.

If it was universally acknowledged that what the McCanns did was neglect, then no one would ever need to mention it again. But some people strangely still seek to minimise it. It was ‘reckless’, or ‘everyone left their kids back in 2007’ ‘ it was different times’, ‘they did exactly the same as the baby sitting service offered at the resort’ …. (Actually on that last point, they didn’t. There was an evening nursery provision but they chose not to use it.) People are not going to be silenced by the self-appointed thread police from responding to this sort of thing.

bigboykitty · Yesterday 11:09

Also the victim was MM.

FernFaery · Yesterday 11:10

crossedlines · Yesterday 09:34

I was responding to some of the posts on here which minimised the neglect. Not sure what you mean by ‘achieve’?! It’s not about ‘achieving’, this is a public forum and it’s dialogue!

For example, I completely disagree that just because the McCanns’ other children haven’t spoken publicly about their upbringing, that must mean they’re absolutely fine. I imagine that if I were in the awful position of knowing my parents had left me unattended at the age of 2, night after night and then my older sister had gone missing, it would have resulted in some emotional damage. It’s a point of view. People are free to disagree. But you don’t have the right to just try to shut other people’s views down just because you find them uncomfortable.

It very much sounds like you don’t want them to be fine.

icannotlivelaughloveintheseconditions · Yesterday 11:24

LemonTyger · 23/05/2026 20:47

There was a black single mum recently who had lots of small children (2 sets of twins?). She went to the local shop and there was a fire, I think her cigarette wasn’t properly out and sadly the tots died. Was such a sad story, instantly made me think of McCanns. She was prosecuted. Quite rightly so - BUT I think what she did wasn’t as bad as what the McCann story is. Yet they faced no charges and were allowed to keep their other children.

I’d say the fire was worse because she smoked in the house/around her kids and didn’t ensure she had extinguished her cigarette before leaving her children.
The other thing is it was normal in previous times to leave your kids in a hotel room or a chalet /apartment and go to a different part of the hotel / site to watch/drink with staff or parents doing checks on kids . It happened to countless people myself included and rarely went wrong so wasn’t seen at the time as a dangerous or reckless behaviour. I’d assume the mccanns saw it as a similar situation . It’s one of many things you look back on and think wtf? Including hitting kids, smoking in communal spaces, leaving kids outside shops/pubs in a pram, no seatbelts in cars.

Times change and we learn from past experiences and do better.

crossedlines · Yesterday 11:45

FernFaery · Yesterday 11:10

It very much sounds like you don’t want them to be fine.

Wow. I’m glad I don’t think like you do.

bigboykitty · Yesterday 11:49

icannotlivelaughloveintheseconditions · Yesterday 11:24

I’d say the fire was worse because she smoked in the house/around her kids and didn’t ensure she had extinguished her cigarette before leaving her children.
The other thing is it was normal in previous times to leave your kids in a hotel room or a chalet /apartment and go to a different part of the hotel / site to watch/drink with staff or parents doing checks on kids . It happened to countless people myself included and rarely went wrong so wasn’t seen at the time as a dangerous or reckless behaviour. I’d assume the mccanns saw it as a similar situation . It’s one of many things you look back on and think wtf? Including hitting kids, smoking in communal spaces, leaving kids outside shops/pubs in a pram, no seatbelts in cars.

Times change and we learn from past experiences and do better.

It wasn't similar. These are not those times. They were much further away than the 'hotel's bar or restaurant'. It was illegal in the country where they did it. They left the children in an unlocked apartment and they did it every night, after putting them in childcare every day. Why are people so desperate to argue that it wasn't neglectful? It was, at best, highly neglectful.

crossedlines · Yesterday 11:53

bigboykitty · Yesterday 11:49

It wasn't similar. These are not those times. They were much further away than the 'hotel's bar or restaurant'. It was illegal in the country where they did it. They left the children in an unlocked apartment and they did it every night, after putting them in childcare every day. Why are people so desperate to argue that it wasn't neglectful? It was, at best, highly neglectful.

Agree - I didn’t know anyone with toddlers in 2007 who left them unattended like that.

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 11:56

Tbh the main reason I wouldn’t have left my dcs, would have been because of a fire risk, or them waking up, looking for me and wondering off into the sea/pool and drowning, lastly worrying about the unlikely event, of being taken.

icannotlivelaughloveintheseconditions · Yesterday 11:58

bigboykitty · Yesterday 11:49

It wasn't similar. These are not those times. They were much further away than the 'hotel's bar or restaurant'. It was illegal in the country where they did it. They left the children in an unlocked apartment and they did it every night, after putting them in childcare every day. Why are people so desperate to argue that it wasn't neglectful? It was, at best, highly neglectful.

I was very aware of up to late nineties/noughties and this was 7 years later so still in the realms of it happening but agree not like it was 30 years past.

Pricelessadvice · Yesterday 12:20

Every single day, all over the world, people make stupid decisions. Mostly they get away with it.
Sometimes they don’t.
Like parents whose toddlers get into the garden and drown in the garden pond. It happens all over the world. Do we persecute those parents for the next 20 years because they didn’t make sure the back door was locked?
The McCanns made a stupid decision and they paid the ultimate price. They live with the consequences of that decision every day of their lives and it must be hell.

People who feel the need to persecute them over and over, what are you getting out of it? Does it make you feel better about your own life?

SequoiaTree · Yesterday 12:29

Pricelessadvice · Yesterday 12:20

Every single day, all over the world, people make stupid decisions. Mostly they get away with it.
Sometimes they don’t.
Like parents whose toddlers get into the garden and drown in the garden pond. It happens all over the world. Do we persecute those parents for the next 20 years because they didn’t make sure the back door was locked?
The McCanns made a stupid decision and they paid the ultimate price. They live with the consequences of that decision every day of their lives and it must be hell.

People who feel the need to persecute them over and over, what are you getting out of it? Does it make you feel better about your own life?

People who feel the need to persecute them over and over, what are you getting out of it? Does it make you feel better about your own life?
Yes that's exactly why they do it

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 12:33

crossedlines · Yesterday 10:23

It’s not relishing the mistakes of others. Why would anyone relish a situation where the victim is a wholly innocent child? Whatever happened to her, Madeleine is the victim here.

If it was universally acknowledged that what the McCanns did was neglect, then no one would ever need to mention it again. But some people strangely still seek to minimise it. It was ‘reckless’, or ‘everyone left their kids back in 2007’ ‘ it was different times’, ‘they did exactly the same as the baby sitting service offered at the resort’ …. (Actually on that last point, they didn’t. There was an evening nursery provision but they chose not to use it.) People are not going to be silenced by the self-appointed thread police from responding to this sort of thing.

I cannot understand why they didn’t use the evening nursery provision.

My parents went to Greece with me when I was 2 (1972/3) and they were in a large hotel. Apparently I was left in the hotel room asleep whilst they went for dinner but when they returned they found I’d woken up and was crying. My mum told me this round the time of the McCann case and I was quite shocked they’d left me! But it seems it was normal at the time. My parents didn’t do this again though. My mum was very protective of me too so who knows why she did this?

I think the McCanns were lulled into a false sense of security with there being lots of people, holiday atmosphere and the area where they stayed wasn’t far away from the restaurant. I don’t think they even thought for a minute that their children would be unsafe, taken, so that’s why they did what they did, left them asleep. Of course, after the event they then realised it was not a wise thing to do at all as it ended in tragedy.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 12:37

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 11:56

Tbh the main reason I wouldn’t have left my dcs, would have been because of a fire risk, or them waking up, looking for me and wondering off into the sea/pool and drowning, lastly worrying about the unlikely event, of being taken.

But the thing is, if the McCanns and their friends left their children surely other parents were doing this too. It’s acceptable therefore it’s ok to do this. And plus an adult went to check on the children throughout the night. I’m sure the parents weighed up the fire risk, the fact their children would/wouldn’t wake up and other factors and decided there was little risk to leave them alone.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 12:38

crossedlines · Yesterday 11:53

Agree - I didn’t know anyone with toddlers in 2007 who left them unattended like that.

That’s interesting that you don’t know anyone with toddlers in 2007 who left them unattended like that. I thought it was more commonplace.

NeelyOHara · Yesterday 12:40

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 12:38

That’s interesting that you don’t know anyone with toddlers in 2007 who left them unattended like that. I thought it was more commonplace.

I don’t know any either. I don’t think it was that commonplace at all, only on here have I seen it claimed that it is/was.

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 12:59

My friendship didn’t leave them but as I said upthread year after Madeleine went missing in a hotel there was another family that did leave their DCs. We politely declined to join them and said we didn’t leave our DCs.

flowersandmusic · Yesterday 13:18

Anyone interested in this case should watch Peter Hyatt embedded confession on You Tube. It is a really interesting watch.

Hogwartsian · Yesterday 13:24

I watched this last night. I am firmly in the 'I have no idea what happened to Madeleine' camp. I remember reading about the cadaver dogs and thinking how strange. There are a lot of things that can't seem to be explained. It really does puzzle me. The Priest thing is so odd.

I can't see anything wrong with the McCanns continuing their fitness activities, though. It was sensible to keep their minds occupied, even if it did look a bit weird.

flowersandmusic · Yesterday 13:26

Sandycar · 22/05/2026 09:31

My parents would regularly leave me alone on holidays as a small child, I think it was the done thing then.
I remember being 7, we went to Tenerife, and my parents left me alone all day while they went for a trip to Santa Cruz. I was locked out of the apartment, so spent the day wandering around by the pool. I didn’t know how to swim at this point. I remember being very thirsty and I got horrendous sunburn on my arm that looked like bubble wrap. They didn’t put sunscreen on me. I had to be seen by a doctor the next day.
My parents were lower middle class I’d say, nothing unusual. I have very mixed feelings and emotions about my childhood. When I told my lovely husband, he said that even though it was the acceptable thing then, it still doesn’t make it right.
Im sure the Mccanns loved their children, but I cannot understand why they were so lax about looking after them.

This is horrendous. This was not the done thing then. This is neglect. Anything could have happened to you and if it had, your parents would have been charged.

marcopront · Yesterday 17:31

FernFaery · Yesterday 11:10

It very much sounds like you don’t want them to be fine.

Do you really think that two boys who know that it is widespread knowledge that their parents left them alone while on holiday are fine? That is without the fact it is widespread knowledge that their sister was at best abducted by a stranger and killed.

They will not be fine, they have hopefully learnt to cope.

Meredusoleil · Yesterday 17:34

marcopront · Yesterday 17:31

Do you really think that two boys who know that it is widespread knowledge that their parents left them alone while on holiday are fine? That is without the fact it is widespread knowledge that their sister was at best abducted by a stranger and killed.

They will not be fine, they have hopefully learnt to cope.

I think the twins are one boy and one girl rather than 2 boys.

LBFseBrom · Yesterday 17:40

Meredusoleil · Yesterday 17:34

I think the twins are one boy and one girl rather than 2 boys.

They are. One is a very successful athlete.

crossedlines · Yesterday 17:44

marcopront · Yesterday 17:31

Do you really think that two boys who know that it is widespread knowledge that their parents left them alone while on holiday are fine? That is without the fact it is widespread knowledge that their sister was at best abducted by a stranger and killed.

They will not be fine, they have hopefully learnt to cope.

The twins are girl/ boy. But you’re absolutely right, it would be a very strange opinion to think that a child growing up with this knowledge wouldn’t be negatively emotionally impacted, though hopefully they’ll have been able to access support to come to terms with their situation as far as anyone is able

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 17:54

bigboykitty · Yesterday 11:49

It wasn't similar. These are not those times. They were much further away than the 'hotel's bar or restaurant'. It was illegal in the country where they did it. They left the children in an unlocked apartment and they did it every night, after putting them in childcare every day. Why are people so desperate to argue that it wasn't neglectful? It was, at best, highly neglectful.

Completely agree. Annoys me when I read that the restaurant was near the hotel room, it wasn’t. It could have happened to any of the couples in that group, they were all leaving their children and supposedly taking turns to check on them, obviously not very well. I don’t understand how anyone can excuse their neglectful behaviour.

itsgettingweird · Yesterday 18:18

O decided to listen to some of the Johnny English and Austrian guy podcast.

oh my fucking god. I had to stop. He didn’t finish 1 sentence, made Trump look like a sensible communicator, and the reason he couldn’t finish a sentence is he went off more exits than that roundabout in Swindon has.

there is NO WAY I could get through nearly 3 hours of it.

i don't believe the parents are involved anyway it im always open to listening to viewpoints.

I could not listen to this though.