Anyone watching Channel 5's Under Suspicion Kate McCann?

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It was on last night

It was the 'entitled prick' comment from another poster. I do.

I watched this documentary/film whatever we call it.
I vividly remember when Madeleine went missing,
Everything for me at the time was that it didn’t make sense.

If you and your friends want a holiday where you are the focus, then have an adult holiday, ask family or friends to have the kids for a week at home . Kids are looked after, parents have a week off from parental duties.

But the infamous Tapas 9 didn’t do that. They took the kids, one of which was a baby of one year old, put them in kids clubs, and at night left them, with their own checking system.

I don’t know what happened to Madeleine, if an abduction took place, it was easy because she had been left alone. If an accident happened, it was because she had been left alone. They failed her. Two intelligent medics failed her. At the very least it’s negligence. They know. we know. Smoke and mirrors.

And there has never been one iota of a suggestion that the other children have been harmed or neglected in any way. They are now adults who have had plenty of opportunities to speak out if they had suffered in any way. So you have no reason to claim that taking them away from their home and putting them into care would have been better for them, do you?

Surely that simply means that similar resources should be allocated to similar cases, not that these victims should be blamed for wanting everything possible to be done to find their child.

I agree.

Some of the funding for investigating Madeline's kidnap was raised privately.

Personally I believe no stone should be left unturned when a child goes missing.

I didn't see that but it shouldn't have been said. He has shown no signs of that anyway, he's a mild mannered man.

He always came across as extremely aggressive and arrogant at the time.

Of course - we'd all want the same . Where do the 'similar resources' come from?

Can you give an example of this ‘extreme aggression’?

I mean, it was 20 years ago but I do recall how odd he was. Inferring and threatening to sue anyone who dared say they had done anything remotely wrong. Despite the fact that it was illegal to leave children under that age unattended in this country. Their behaviour was so very strange, - even getting aggrieved when people pointed out it was jaw dropping that they carried on with their jogging and sports in the following days.
Clarence Mitchell didn’t help though.

The other children absolutely were neglected. They too were left alone, unattended - failed by their parents.

Also, are you suggesting that unless a person, the moment they become an adult, speaks publicly about their upbringing, they can’t possibly have suffered in any way? Wow.

Being left night after night on your own in hotel room is neglect.

Can you actually back any of that up with quotes or a video or anything?

It’s just funny as I judge ‘extreme aggression’ as being high level domestic violence, grevious bodily harm. Threatening to sue seems a little pallid by comparison.

I think it was reckless. They did check on them, and the apartment was very close by, it’s not the same as leaving them there and going ‘out’ for the night a mile or two away. But I absolutely agree it’s not a risk I would’ve taken - less because of the abduction angle, more because I would worry about them waking up and wandering off or a fire/getting hurt.

Well, I guess we all interpret things differently don’t we, I can only tell you my opinions and feelings on it, as I recall at the time.

I guess language is always open to interpretation though isn’t it? I wouldn’t call it ‘reckless’ leaving 2 babies and a toddler, alone, in a foreign country night after night so I could go out on the piss.
That is neglect, and child abuse in this country.

Of course it was neglect; god knows why anyone would seek to minimise that - although of course the McCanns have always sought to do exactly that.

When you have a child, it’s a parental responsibility to supervise them. They chose not to.

What on earth is the point of banging on and on and on about neglect etc etc? That argument has been done to death time and again both on MN and elsewhere, and it changes precisely nothing. The fact remains that the only person responsible for Madeleine's abduction was her abductor, and that her parents have suffered all the punishment the self-righteous on here could possibly wish for, multiplied by a billion. It was 19 years ago, FFS. Time to stop hoiking our bosoms, clutching our pearls and congratulating ourselves on our perfection as parents,, and think about something else.

No pearl clutching, bosom hoiking or any of your hyperbole - just correcting the view that a few posters strangely hold that this wasn’t neglect.

And there is no conclusive proof that she was abducted. It’s one possibility among others, as has already been outlined on here.

But why does it matter to you that the world should know your view that there was neglect? What have you achieved?

According to the book all other plausible scenarios have been discounted.

The shutter had been lifted. She couldn’t have lifted it herself at 3, it was too heavy. What child wakes up, lifts a metal shutter and jumps out? There were 3 doors between her bed and the outside world via the front door, and all 3 were closed. What 3 year old goes out and closes all 3 doors behind them?

Amateur sleuths are embarrassing because they don’t realise how easily their ‘theories’ are debunked by the most minor, mundane evidence, which of course they are not party to.

Of course Madeleine being abducted was a 1 in a million event, but even 1 in a million events happen to 1 in a million people. The McCanns were those unlucky 1 in a million people. Of course it hasn’t happened there since because it was 1 in a million.

Pointing out the neglect is utterly needless at this stage and only done because the people posting are clearly the type that enjoy a sly kick when others are down. I don’t, it doesn’t uplift me. As I said I would NOT have taken that decision and YES it was very very stupid. But their other 2 children have been safely raised and by all accounts seem to be doing very well, far better than many of the teens whose parents use this website frankly.

Mr and Mrs McCanns personalities are neither here nor there, nor is judging those personalities on a snapshot of how they acted at the most insanely stressful period of their lives remotely accurate. She said time and time again in her book how desperately guilty they felt and continue to feel about the fact they were not there when she was taken, nothing you say can make this worse. She’s published her feelings of regret and torture for millions to read yet this still isn’t enough for the ghouls out there who clearly want self flagellation, the removal of their other children and to see them slandered in the press over and over.

I mean just imagine calling somebody who doesn’t want false newspaper articles that they murdered their daughter printed ‘highly aggressive’. Utterly bonkers.

It’s a forum? Why are you so desperate to stop people knowing anyone else’s view and getting them to shut up? What have you achieved?

I was responding to some of the posts on here which minimised the neglect. Not sure what you mean by ‘achieve’?! It’s not about ‘achieving’, this is a public forum and it’s dialogue!

For example, I completely disagree that just because the McCanns’ other children haven’t spoken publicly about their upbringing, that must mean they’re absolutely fine. I imagine that if I were in the awful position of knowing my parents had left me unattended at the age of 2, night after night and then my older sister had gone missing, it would have resulted in some emotional damage. It’s a point of view. People are free to disagree. But you don’t have the right to just try to shut other people’s views down just because you find them uncomfortable.

I'm not desperate, I just find all the repetitive self-righteousness increasingly irritating.

Yes.
People relish the mistakes of others.

Don’t read it then? You don’t get to police others opinions.