What Not To Eat - c4 Tuesday 8pm

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I couldn’t find a thread, so I thought I’d start one.

Tonight was episode 2/4 and it’s presented by Tim Spector.

My first impression is that I really miss Michael Moseley.

They appear to have found a couple in their mid 60’s that live on pies and wine. They are trying to get them to reduce UPF but that appears to be the least of their issues really.

Tjere was an interesting point about chopping certain vegetables and leaving them 15 minutes to allow them to release some chemical that improves heart health. I’ll be looking into that.

I havent seen today's one. Despite eating pretty healthily and trying to avoid most upfs, I do drink a lot of diet coke.
Sparkling water makes me gag, I can cope with flavoured water but im not convinced its a lot healthier than coke (both have aspartame) i try to up my normal water consumption but its really hard.

I actually think some programmes give an unrealistic picture of overhauling your diet - its really hard. And if it were really as easy as some of the episodes make out, how are the supermarkets packed with upfs and just eat/delieroo are booming...? Of course it is way more time consuming to meal plan, shop, prepare, buy and cook fresh healthy food than opening packets.....that - as well as how it is manufactured to taste - is why upfs are so popular!
(Although i concede its just as easy to pour a glass of water than open a can of coke, it just doesnt taste as nice! 🤣)

Is Tim titchy or is the food lab guy v tall? Some v funny shots of Tim looking up at him

That mushed up sauerkraut looked revolting. (I have it on again as was distracted first time)

I agree. Ruined a lovely looking dish imho!

I haven't watched this before because I don't like Tim. But that tip about freezing bread (and refrigerating rice and pasta) was really interesting! I will definitely freeze bread from now on.

I didn't hold out much hope for the guy, if losing your toe doesn't give you a reality check I don't think Tim and his bowl of sauerkraut are going to do it.
And expecting someone to go from eating a box of eclairs for breakfast, to a plate of veg... he has some seriously disordered eating going on. He could have been given more realistic guidance, say to reduce the coke by having it every other drink for a few weeks, then reduce it again. But to be fair he seemed to have improved his blood sugar. And Dr (Kandi?) was lovely.

when she asked for his blood sugars and he told her and it was super high, surely his monitor would have been alerting and telling him he needed to do something?

Dr K's face when she heard it was 22.5!
Yes surely the monitor would have alerted. I suppose the way he ate it must have been alerting all the time and he ignores it. 😕

Ive watched this final episode now

Very interested in the cultural background to the couple which I assumed would have involved their parents or grandparents at least cooking fairly fresh, veg filled, non UPF foods. But then I couldnt work out if they were American which means that perhaps they grew up on junk food as well. But if not I wonder what changed, perhaps their parents ate the same as them?

I did raise an eyebrow when the doctor asked him to phone his GP urgently, firstly it would take about 40 mins to get through to ours and unless you'd done an econsult they wouldnt entertain getting through to a doctor and predictably they didnt really 'do' anything, just aid they would monitor. Predictable

I really felt for him, I wondered if he was on the spectrum at all with the aversion to change and flavours and textures.

But ulitmately also amazed that previous medical staff in their life (him with his diabetes and her with her acid reflux) hadnt been through all of this as well? Perhaps they did.

I have been saying this for eons, that artificial sweetners are causing problems in terms of the brain thinking its had sugar, but then doesnt get it, so then sets you out to crave it, round and round it goes. Im very anti sweetner and have been shouted down on various forums over the years that there isnt the evidence for it. When I first started learning about it, the research wasnt well know and was few and far between.

That segment of the show should be mandatory watching for all health staff, who also dont seem to know this. My OH is type 2 and at the appointment we had where he started his insulin, she wasnt interested in me asking about diet and lower carb, it was more or less the meds will do the job. It was quite shocking.

I'm sure they have both had advice from doctors before, and ignore it.

My mother's partner had T2 - different, I know, but same sense of 'denial' and refusal to engage. He took ages to get diagnosed, ended up in A&E twice, refused to change his lifestyle and ignored all efforts at monitoring and follow up.

Sorting out non-compliance with medication and similar would save the government millions. I’m not sure if there are any programmes that have research to show they have found a way to improve it and reduce further interventions.

I fear the all or nothing approach in this case has most definitely not helped.

i had a friend who had disordered eating and had been morbidly obese since teenage years. After numerous medical / diet regimes advised by HCPs focussed on food and diet her orthopaedic surgeon, planning her knee replacement, referred her to the psychiatric dept specialising in eating. It took one appointment to identify her root issue, and the solution. Weight dropped off, she was renewed , health wise. (No jabs, it was before jabs).

I've recently had a diagnosis of extreme fatty liver with high lipids. Increased risk of congestive heart failure, stroke and diabetes.

I'm about a stone overweight, so not great, but not extreme.

GP just said "less fat, more protein", that was the extent of the dietary advice. Which was pretty rubbish because I do actually have a pretty good diet, so I'm looking into paying a nutritionist to look at what I already eat and suggest changes.

I like the programme, but it is a bit extreme. Having said that, my oh thinks granola is a health food and ham is unprocessed slices of pig, so these people do exist!

I made the biscuits from ep2, I quite like them. I can't work out what the calories are though because the listing says "per serving", but what is a serving of biscuits?

Yes I dont know why anyone would think drinking fizzy water with lemon in it is nice for someone who is used to diet coke

Perhaps behind the scenes the following things happened but what about hot drinks, watered down milk, fizzy water with low calorie squash (as much as Im against sweetners, this is to get him off the coke), fizzy water mixed with tomato juice very watered down, tea, coffee, horlicks, watermelon whizzed up, smoothies very watered down.

Poor bloke.

I put all my recipes into MFP and work it out for myself, I hate woolly terms like 'serving' or cup. What you can fit into a cup is very changable and not accurate

I always measure everything per 100g, make my own recipes and work out how many portions for each.

@Negroany I’ve lost six stone and reversed my fatty liver. No one gave me any advice, any nutrition support or even seemed bothered about it. It just was not a big deal. My bmi was 32ish, it’s now very much into the lower end of normal. I don’t really think about it, but it’s really not ok that no one spoke to me about it or anything like advising on it.

That's great. But this recipe already exists, and I made it from that recipe. I want the recipe, by the guy who is telling us how to eat, to be clear on the properties in that recipe.

I'm using the NHS app, MFP drove me mad when I tried to use that (though it does have the bar code scanner which is helpful, though not needed by me currently as nothing I eat has a bar code....).

I've lost over a stone, I'm now at the top of OK, I was near the top of overweight.

I know how to eat, I just get lazy. Hence watching these programmes.

The GP actually said exercise makes more difference, but that's contrary to anything I've read about it. I find doing exercise a lot more trying than cooking and eating well, because I like cooking and eating (and shopping) and I hate all forms of exercise.
Plus you have to eat, so you might as well make it good.
I am building in more exercise in small stages that I will be able to maintain.

@Negroany I get the exercise link as it can be due to metabolic and blood sugar issues I think. So exercise helps with that?

im not able to do much exercise at all and still reversed it. But now im trying to build muscle and strength to help keep the weight off. Of course ive used injections to get here, but it’s definitely about eating.

I think the show would be more helpful for showing much more about the meals and proper ingredients and nutrition support instead of the shock tactics.

Tim seems a joyless man to me.

I also get the impression he doesn't really do a lot of cooking ... seems awkward.

Yes I get that, what I mean is I put the quantities into the MFP recipe maker (and yes it is crap, you have to be really diligent on what you put in) and put your own quantities. (or whatever calorie counting app you use)

The other thing I would say also is I never rely on what calories someone tells me it is. I might have a play around with that recipe, whats it called? To see if it comes out different, I presume per serving is one biscuit?

I agree, out of all the 'delicious' bowls he could have created, the roasted veg and bulgar wheat one wouldnt be top pick. He put no herbs and spices on it, he didnt flavour the bulgur in any way, didnt give any measurements.

The saurkraut mixture made it go all mushy.

I would have enjoyed it no doubt, but it was during a segment about snacking and what would satisfy that, so it didnt fit in my view.

Is this the recipe? It makes 12 and says 'serves 12', so assuming one cookie per person as a serving

If that is the case, this is ridiculous, the calories are really high, I wouldnt be able to stick at 1. The fat far outweighs protein or carb although I accept it would be 'good fat'.

Rubbish

https://www.thedoctorskitchen.com/recipes/tim-spector-s-pecan-chocolate-cookies

Wine is not a UFP. It's one of my 5 a day.

I think it would be good idea to have one episode with a slightly chubby family and do less radical changes . People can't stick to extremes , I think demonising a bag of crisps was ott. How about just showing someone having a satsuma instead .