What Not To Eat - c4 Tuesday 8pm

[FurForksSake]

I couldn’t find a thread, so I thought I’d start one.

Tonight was episode 2/4 and it’s presented by Tim Spector.

My first impression is that I really miss Michael Moseley.

They appear to have found a couple in their mid 60’s that live on pies and wine. They are trying to get them to reduce UPF but that appears to be the least of their issues really.

Tjere was an interesting point about chopping certain vegetables and leaving them 15 minutes to allow them to release some chemical that improves heart health. I’ll be looking into that.

It was pretty obvious which one she meant though.

Context is always key

There’s a really good book which helps explain some of the issues around upf and especially for women - Ultraprocessed Women by Milli Hill. Similar to Chris VTs book Ultraprocessed people which is good also. I like that they are both realistic in their outlook and not sanctimonious

Sorry for reheating the old thread but I’ve just watched all 4 episodes.

I do enjoy these shows too.

the truth is that many people eat like this. We’ve had a real culture shock sending our toddler to a nursery. They actually used to give 1 year olds instant noodles which is just awful

I also think that lots of people are in denial about what they eat and the impact it has on them. I agree that doctors should speak more about food and how to make good simple changes but I also know that people would find it patronising and resist the message

I do think that the solution is starting from young kids and actually properly checking what nurseries and schools feed kids. Right now a nursery can publish a food policy that describes everything as super healthy but do nothing but

I saw a social media post saying that the anti upf rhetoric is elitist as the price per calorie of non upf is 45% higher. No idea where that stat comes from or if it’s true. But I think there is a point to it. It’s much easier to make choices about foods when the cost is 10% off your income and not 50%.

A nursery serving instant noodles - like pot noodles? Is insane.

I havent quoted any stats before as I dont know them but Ive said this lots of times, its all very well people saying 'healthy is cheaper' it is, but per calorie (and people are often shocked that we do actually need to eat calories sometimes!!), its much more expensive per calorie.

The staple foods are still cheap per calorie, and are hard to call upf:
butter, flour, rice, milk, lentils, potatoes (esp in a 20kg bag) are all cheap per calorie.

Veg oil or oilive oil or Bread are cheap per calorie too ... I don't think of a loaf of Sainsbury's wholemeal as upf but am aware some people would insist all supermarket bread is upf. What does the Nova classifier say, is all supermarket bread upf?

Im thinking about when people say, dont buy crisps for your children buy fruit for them to snack on.

I mean obviously there is an argument to be made that perhaps some children have too many calories in our society. Not sure.

There's the initial outlay, but also a banana for example will last less than a week whereas crisps can be stored until needed.
One thing they didnt really mention when talking about swapping upfs for fresh food is the investment of time- for shopping, planning, preparing and cooking (and washing/clearing up!)

I dont mean that in a defeatist way, of course fresh, non upf food is always the better choice but when youre short on time, I feel they didn't really give many "quick wins" eg frozen or prepared fruit and veg. They poo-pooed tinned fruit as well
It absolutely doesnt work for everything but there are shortcuts that could work in certain dishes/situations

@FurForksSake - 150 minutes twice a week? Spending two and a half hours at a time on weights or exercise is not feasible for most people. That's 5 hours in total. I could manage 5 x sessions at a gym or weights at home but not a hope in hell of two and a half hours all at once.

150 minutes of moderate exercise over the week and two weights sessions a week. A comma would have helped probably?