Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

Didnt Cheryl Cole meet Liam payne when he was 14?

She went on to have a baby with him

He doesn’t get to choose whether criminal proceedings are discontinued. It’s not how it works. And there are very good reasons for that.

I don't excuse her either.

Objective definition of overrule:

reject or disallow by exercising one's superior authority.

The detective was not superior to the charging lawyer and did not have the final say.

The decision could not be changed without her call. So she had a lot of say

She met him then but didn’t have a relationship with him until he was in his 20s. It was still white a big age gap and definitely wouldn’t be for me, but as they had both had similar careers, money, friends, contacts etc, I don’t think there was any imbalance of power.

Says who?

As I have already written many times.

The CPS originally decided not to charge her.

One of the reasons listed in their report was

THE VICTIM (Caroline's partner) DOES NOT WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE CASE

The French president met his wife when he was about 14.

They also didnt get together until they were adults.

People dont like this as they think she groomed him.

Ive seen people online also say that Cheryl groomed Liam

And did you read the section on what happened on Police attendance and the body cam footage, she had to be restrained for example and a visible cut was seen in his head.

Of course it could. Why do you imagine this one detective was the only one who could challenge the decision.

At the end of the day some detectives might want to prosecute and some might not but the only way to make sure you don't get prosecuted for assaulting your sleeping boyfrienf is to control yourself and not assault him

But it wasn’t her call. She only had the authority to request they look at it again. You seem to be hinging Caroline’s ‘innocence’ in your eyes on her ‘bad fortune’ of detective rather than the facts themselves.

They take into account the victims wishes but the victim doesn’t get to decide, that’s just a fact.

Imagine if your partner tried to murder you, but then he talked you around, promised he’d do better, love bombed you and got you to say you didn’t want to go ahead with criminal proceedings. It is right that you wouldn’t get that choice alone because of the pressure victims can have placed on them and the fact that the person could be a danger to others.

I don't know.

It seems crazy to me that a case can go ahead, when the victim DOES not want to bring charges.

And then we have so many rape cases. Where the victim DOES want to bring charges. But these cases never make it to court.

This thread is a fascinating (and slightly terrifying) insight into laypeople’s understanding of how our legal system operates.

Cheryl Tweedy committed assault. Do any of us see her as evil?

I don’t think anyone thinks Flack was evil. And I think a lot of people have a low opinion of Cole. I also think that if Cheryl Cole’s mother did a documentary talking about how hard done by her daughter was for being charged with an assault she committed, people would be equally as critical.

These are 2 entirely separate matters and the issues are far more complex than you summing them up in a few sentences.

I think the president and his wife had stayed in touch from when he was young. Apparently Cheryl and Liam didn’t, so therefore she didn’t groom him. Obviously if they had been in regular contact and she was grooming him, that would be very different, but that doesn’t seem to be the case from what we have been told from Cheryl and Liam, their friends etc.

Isn’t it just 🥵 still here, slogging away! Think I’ve said I’m off about 3 times now!

"Laypeople".😂😂 The snobbery!

If you are going to be that snobby? You need to specify at least what your own expertise is

I am a lawyer.

This isn't relevant. It's extremely common for abused women to ask to have charges against people who have abused them dropped. In my area's police force in the 2010s it was so common that there was a rule made that victims could not have the charges dropped and cases went ahead either without them or with them made to come to court as reluctant witnesses.

Perpetrators are extremely skilled in getting their victims to retract allegations.

It isn't justice though, really. Yes, charging her according to her actions may be 'justice', but the consequences for CF are not comparable to most other people being charged with the same thing.

I doubt the charges against her were the primary concern, the very public and unmitigated flaying she received were. Looking at it through a lens of simply recieving a sanction for her actions through the court process is very naive.

THE VICTIM (Caroline's partner) DOES NOT WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE CASE

Surely, that should have absolutely no bearing on the decision. It's far too easy for dominant people to bully their partners into changing their minds.

If the normal consequence in law for an assault (and I'm presuming being hit round the head when you are asleep is classed as assault) is being charged with assault, then I can't see the problem.

The fact she had mental problems/she was famous/there was press interest/her partner changed his mind are irrelevant.

It is also a terrifying insight into the snobbery of people.

If I worked in the criminal justice system there is NO WAY I would call other people stupid or call myself superior.

If you work in the criminal justice system of course you have more knowledge. You work in the bloody area.

Its like how a history teacher has maybe more knowledge of history. However my history teacher friend would never go roubd saying "i know more about history than you haha". That is such an immature thing to do

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