Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

Haven’t read the full thread but seriously, the cps were going to take her to court over hitting someone with a phone ? Yes it’s not okay we know that, but people in this country have been let off with a hell of a lot more !!!

Layperson is a term for someone without specialised knowledge on a subject. A lot of people have shown complete ignorance of the law on this thread. Hitting someone on the head whilst they sleep is assault.

would you prefer to be referred to as a “man on the Clapham omnibus”?

There is good reason though as I have explained above.

I agree that our rape stats are shocking, but unfortunately it is very hard to get enough evidence of rape and so many cases just wouldn’t stand up in court. I hate it when some people think if it doesn’t go to court people t think the woman is lying. It’s awful but it’s usually just incredibly difficult to prove guilt, especially where there has been some type of relationship, date etc. 😞

Working in what area?

My friend is a lawyer and works in brand protection at the moment.

Litigation.

Daily Mail headline.

Man admits beating girlfriend with phone while asleep because she cheated on him not charged with assault despite of 999 call saying he was trying to kill her.

How would that go down on a thread like this?

Fucking brilliant

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It is justice. The way our justice system works is that the case goes to court and the defence put forward arguments that the mental health of the victim either makes them not culpable and they are not guilty, or reduces their culpability and they get a lower sentence.

You can't have the CPS deciding whose mental health should let them off a trial.

And you certainly can't have the CPS deciding not to prosecute a famous person because they are going to get a lot of media attention.

You've misunderstood.

OP - we don’t only charge & prosecute ‘evil’ criminals. The vast majority of offenders aren’t ‘evil’. That doesn’t mean they’ve not committed an offence.

Do you really think people who punch someone when drunk shouldn’t be prosecuted because they’re not “evil”? Or what about a nurse who drink-drives and kills someone? Should she not be charged because she’s not “evil”.

Punishments are for crimes. You don’t have to be evjl to commit crime. But if you commit a crime you may well get prosecuted for said crime. “Evil” doesn’t come into it.

I really worry when confused thinking and backward logic gets pedalled out like this.

This answer was against the wrong quote, it was in relation to someone posting that she asked for the charges to be withdrawn.

I don't see anyone saying it wasn't assault though?

I think we have said that as it was first offense, he wasnt injured to a degree of needing treatment, and victim did not want to proceed. Maybe the case should not proceed.

These were the reasons why the CPS originally decided not to proceed with the case

Please explain how?

Whataboutery and bullshit. One person hit another sleeping person's head with a phone. The fact that the person was sleeping is especially nasty, as they had no chance to cover/defend themselves. I deliberately wrote this is neutral, as the sexes of participants are irrelevant - it's an obvious assault.

If I stanger hit you in the head with a phone - would you consider that assault or 'poor stranger, maybe they suffer from a poor mental health' situation? The boyfriend had a visible, bleeding injury, so it wasn't just a light tap.

The fact that she was drunk is an aggravating circumstance, not the other way around. The fact that the boyfriend was drunk is neither here nor there, being drunk is not a crime, he wasn't aggressive, he was sleeping.

And her mental health was not his responsibility or fault.

Threads like these always attract the hard of thinking, and this one is no different. Some of you have the patience of a saint trying to reason with them.

Yet you haven't contributed anything.

Very easy to insult others, and say nothing yourself.

These were the reasons why the CPS originally decided not to proceed with the case

And despite those reasons, on review, they had enough to change the decision and proceed with charges.

*Yet you haven't contributed anything.

Very easy to insult others, and say nothing yourself.*

No point arguing with someone who at best isn't able to analyse the facts, at worse is being deliberately obtuse

Do you have any idea how many women say this even after the most violent assaults?

When someone is a coercive relationship it really isn't that simple and that is why the law exists.

Many women don't want their child to lose a father, to make themselves homeless or are still convinced he really means it and will never do it again.

The police and CPS were doing their job, gathering evidence of offences and taking people to court based on that evidence. Surely we want both of those services to take this subject very seriously and show they are actively doing all they can to combat domestic abuse? Suggesting they were wrong to do so because she was a celebrity makes zero sense. She rightly received press scrutiny because she was in the privileged position of having a public platform which she very much wanted and placed herself in and then failed to behave accordingly. The CPS would have considered the public interest in their decision. What would we all be saying if they had done nothing?

Whatever happened, I am sure we can all have empathy for Caroline's mother.

Its sad to see her like that.

Yes but he didnt change his mind because he was afraid of her.

He really, really did not want her to be prosecuted.

He said it many times. He appealed to multiple people, to try to get it dropped.

Yeah like the police have never been corrupt before......

As far as I can see in this case, they were called, they attended, found him with an injury which she admitted causing and then arrested and charged her. All sounds quite straightforward and exactly what you’d expect of the police in this situation. Im not seeing the corruption.