Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

She abused someone once. That we have evidence of.

I think it is forgivable.

Vicky Pattison from Geordie Shore was convicted of assault. She is now on Strictly come dancing

This case, though, has to be taken against the background of male on female domestic violence. In those cases it will typically have taken up to 40ish assaults before the victim actually complains to the police. Then after reporting it, it's extremely common for the victim to be coerced or frightened into withdrawing the complaint.

I have watched the tears stream down the battered face of a victim while she begged the court to let her boyfriend come back home, unable to comprehend how she was possibly going to survive on her own, he had destroyed her self esteem so effectively. By the time she came to court as a witness she had a new boyfriend and was bouncing with confidence in her new life.

I have watched a man whose wife had seriously assaulted him and missed his heart with a kitchen knife by 4 inches to the side beg the court to allow that woman back into his home. I was on the point of agreeing with him when I forced myself to swap the sexes in my mind and realised she needed to stay remanded in prison.

This is the reason that cases are pursued in a domestic violence scenario where they might not be in a street assault, for example.

And once you have decided to treat domestic violence cases this way, that has to be applied equally whether the victim and perpetrators are male or female.

There's no doubt in my mind that if this 999 call had been due to male on female violence it would automatically have gone to court.

86 replies OP why are you so invested in this?

I literally couldn’t give 2 shits about Caroline Flack. Sad for her family but her death came about as a result of no one’s actions except her own.

So invested?
Lol Ive definitely replied more on other threads. Im actually working an evening shift right now. There is nothing happening whatosever. So im on mumsnet - filling time

The very sad thing is that she probably would have been forgiven and got herself and her career back on track if she would have given it time, taken accountability publicly, had therapy, apologised etc.

I’ve just watched it, I have huge sympathy for her mother, but I think someone should have had a gentle word with her before she made this film.

Caroline obviously had a lot of issues and not just with her boyfriend. She should have stepped away from fame and sought help a long time before things got to that stage. Her family must have known how fragile she was.

Her mother seemed to think that because Lewis was 6 foot and a man it didn’t matter that Caroline repeatedly struck him with a phone while he was asleep. It didn’t help that they kept repeating this narrative as if it just didn’t matter, it does.

Funny how celebrities need the press and social media in order to build their career but they don’t understand it’s a deal with the devil.

I hope her mum finds peace but Caroline’s struggles were more complex than this one incident.

I don’t like that they blamed the boyfriend and he didn’t have a voice in this.

But that is irrelevant. The law has to apply universally.

It exists to protect the vulnerable - the victims of domestic abuse - not the perpetrators.

And in this case she was the perpetrator. Any mitigating circumstances would be for the court to decide.

You do seem convinced that only one version of this exists but someone here was worried enough to call the police. I really can't see that happening for the minor incident you seem convinced of.

Something beyond the boundaries of normal relationship fall outs happened.

If he never wanted her charged why on earth would he have phoned the police? The logic then goes to 'because he was afraid ' so that undermines the argument she just accidentally caught him with a phone and that was that.

Something ugly happened however nice she may otherwise have been and how sorry we feel for her or her family.

There are rumours that this isnt true and she was a cover

Wow. Nice.

I don't know.

I know a couple that had a big argument over their toddler son. No physical fighting. Just shouting. She called the police. She said they were having such a bad argument, and were really hating each other in that moment, that she threatened to call the police, to wind him up. She then did call the police.

The police came and didnt press any charges.

I was friends with both of them, and they told me both sides.

The husband ended up initiating a divorce over it. He said that she went way too far Whem she called the police. What if she did it again etc. He wanted a divorce.

She told me that she did regret it, that she did it in the heat of the moment.

Caroline hit her boyfriend and when confronted by what she had done slit her wrists to avoid accountability.

Why are you defending an abuser?

“Rumours” that are actual theories from deranged fans who have decided he was in a relationship with his band mate don’t count n

What? are you even following the thread. We werent talking about whether caroline abused him or not. She did.

We were talking about why did he call the police - if he didnt want her prosecuted.

He said he regretted calling the police

It would be a very odd cover for a 30 something to be running around with a 17 year old.

Presumably he called the police because she abused him?

It’s very common for victims of abuse to say that they regret it, because the abuser pressures them to. Sometimes by weaponising mental health.

A caution can’t be given to someone who doesn’t accept the guilt, it progresses to charge to give the perpetrator the opportunity to defend themselves in Court if they dispute the caution.

He probably called the police as he didn’t know what else to do when she had smashed a lamp and was cutting herself. If he hadn’t called anyone would that be ok? Or just walked away and left her?

Her problems were bigger than this one incident.

No he really regretted it.

After she died , he was still expressing his regret.

She cant do anything to him when shes dead. So if he had wanted to say anything bad about her, he would have done it then.

He didnt. He continually said that he never wanted this to happen, and that he had asked them multiple times not to prosecute her.

She didnt smash a lamp. That was inaccurate reporting by the media.

Lewis himself said that she never hit him with a lamp

Vicky Pattinson didnt try to manipulate someone by cutting her wrists same for Cheryl. Celebs do bad things look at will smith but they dont kill themselves. She made a choice her own choice. Her actions caused her to spiral.

Oh yeah Will Smith punched someone in front of millions on live TV. They didnt do anything except give him an award later in the show!

He was never charged.

How does that make any sense?

Vicky pattisons assault was worse. She threw a high heeled shoe at a girl's face. She could have blinded her.

So if he had wanted to say anything bad about her, he would have done it then.

Hmm, I doubt it. People don't generally like to speak ill of the dead, do they?

The American justice system is different - I think victims can choose to press charges or not there for some things (any Americans on here, please correct me if I’m wrong!)

There were also (rightly) significant professional consequences.

They did of Jimmy Saville.

Peoplr only felt safe to come out and tell their stories after he died