Caroline Flack documentary

[Finto1111]

Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

Isn’t it the CPS that decide whether to prosecute though, not an individual detective?

They can charge someone in the USA, even if the victim doesnt press charges. If there is enough evidence.

"They can charge someone if the evidence they collect amounts to probable cause to believe someone committed a crime. Even if the alleged victim says they don't want to press charges, the police could look elsewhere for evidence to form probable cause"

There was plenty of evidence on Will Smith

You still can’t directly compare the US and UK legal systems, though. They are too different.

There are a lot of decisions made in one legal system that wouldn’t be made in the other.

I don’t think an assault conviction would have been the end of Caroline Flack’s career anyway, if handled sensibly. As you say, others have managed to come back.

You can compare them as celebrities.

Caroline was absolutely villified.

Will was not.

I think people see it as worse when a woman does it

He was absolutely vilified. Rightly.

The circumstances were also entirely different. One was real-time provocation by someone making a really shitty comment about his wife in front of a global audience. The other was something on a phone which she wasn’t forced to look at and which she responded by hitting a sleeping person - so not to immediately shut him up.

Both were assault. I have no sympathy for either. But they are so different that comparison is completely pointless.

In isolation, it is forgivable. In combination with her other abuse, coercive control and predatory sexual behaviour towards teenagers, she is shown not to be a good person.

The fact that her victim changed his mind about wanting police protection is irrelevant. Why do you keep going on about it? There a countless stories of domestic abuse victims who don’t want their abuser prosecuted, that’s why upholding the law is not their choice.

They don’t think it’s worse when women do it, this thread is proof of that. No one sticks up for men who are violent towards their partners yet here is a thread doing that for a woman.

Your thread also shows that people don’t think it’s bad when it’s a thirty+ year old woman who pressured teenagers because that behaviour of hers has barely been acknowledged. There was a thread the other day full of people saying how gross it was when men did exactly the same thing, even with a much smaller age gap.

97 posts now OP, defending abuse. Nice.

@Finto1111 you have a flagrant disregard for the facts (and the legal position, as someone else has tried to educate you on). You are swayed, wrongly, by a documentary made in very ill taste. You do realise that the production company don’t have her mothers best interests at heart. You seem far too involved and completely unwilling to comprehend anyone else’s opinion.

Why are you counting my posts. That is so so weird!

I have posted on a lot of threads, and you are the first person that has ever done that to me

'Educate me on' Lol.

I doubt that poster was counting individual posts. When you click on “See all” for OP’s posts it tells you how many there are.

Actually, if you correctly read my response, you’ve missed an important word, I’ll say it again “tried to educate you on”. As in, you remain uneducated on the points being discussed and on reading some other posts, even more so as you think US laws apply here, crikey!

Where did I write that US Laws apply here?

Show me.

You can't show me, because you completely made that up.

I never once wrote that U.S. Laws applied here.

I didn’t say that you wrote US law applies here. If you reread my quote, I said you think US law applies here and you must have a short memory as you are quoting US scenarios e.g Will Smith. Completely irrelevant. You aren’t coming across very well at all.

Of course I don't think that U.S laws apply here

Writing about something that happens in the US , does not equal that I think it happens here.

Its actually you that is not coming across well at all

You can see how many posts there are when you press to filter.

I find it odd that you’ve put so much time and energy into defending an abuser.

I don’t really understand your post about Vicky Pattison committing assault and now being on Strictly Come Dancing.

Yes, she committed assault, she went to court to face the charges, she pleaded guilty to what she’d done, she expressed remorse, she accepted her punishment and served it. And now she is carrying on with her life.

Caroline Flack could have taken exactly the same path.

Her mother needs to give it a rest. It's always someone else's fault, the boyfriend, the best friend, the police's. Anyone's but Caroline's.

They obviously had a volatile relationship but hitting someone is never okay. She deliberately hit him with an object, hard enough for him to call the police and for the police to go round (a weapon and threat to life gets the police round, been there myself sadly).

To all those excusing her abuse of him because he said he didn't want her charged so it can't have happened or been that bad. The police don't charge someone on a whim. She's dead, he feels guilt not just because she's dead but because he was abused.

I'm sick of her abuse being forgotten about or excused because she killed herself. Abuser are cowards and manipulative. Caroline did the highest manipulation possible and killed herself, now Lewis has to live with that.

I hope he's in a better relationship and that he's living a happy life. Sadly the emotional scars from abuse run deep and never truly go.

Yes similar but not quite as drastic. The age gap between Cheryl and Liam Payne was 10 years. When they started dating in 2016, Liam was 22 and Cheryl was 32.

Years and years ago I was assaulted by my ex,he broke into my home whilst I was asleep,I managed to get away and ran to my neighbours.
When the police went to pick him up he was ranting in the street about killing himself.
He phoned and messaged me hundreds of times a day afterwards...im ashamed to say I asked for charges to be dropped and even wrote a letter to the judge.

I didn’t realise there was a 13 year old age gap between Caroline and Lewis.

Also Lewis was pretty much unknown.

I do see something predatory in that, I’m sorry to say. Especially in light of the whole Harry Styles thing.

I think she very much had a type - much younger than her, and much less famous / wealthy / powerful. And what could the reason for that be?

I think if the sexes were reversed it would be more obvious.

The fact that she was looking through his phone while he was asleep and then hitting him with it to wake him up to confront him really isn’t good.

Also, similar to a pp, I also have experience of an abusive boyfriend (many years ago) who would hurt or intimidate me and then when things went too far, would hurt himself to detract from what he’d done to me.

She was a woman with mental health issues which sadly ended up killing her, but I don’t think this documentary has achieved anything and I think her mum needs to give it up.

I do also very much agree that one of the main differences between this case and the Cheryl tweedy assault was the difference in social media / online culture between 2003 and 2020.

Being in the public eye in 2020 and beyond requires a thick skin and robust mental health, which Caroline just didn’t have.

@TessTickle0 That's why it's a good idea for someone else to take the responsibility and make the decision. I hope you are ok and glad he's your ex.

Caroline was terrified that the bodycam footage would be released. She KNEW there would be no coming back from that so I can only imagine how bad it was.
If someone hit me over the head with a phone while I was sleeping, they were violent and I couldn't calm them down and then they proceeded to slit their wrists I absolutely would call the police. For my safety and also for theirs.

There are too many excuses made my the mother. She "caught" him with the phone. That really pisses me off, it wasn't an accident, she HIT him with the phone while he was sleeping. All her relationships were volatile, all of them were with much younger men, she suffered with her mental health for years, had previous suicide attempts, had a drinking and drug problem.

I'd say IF the bodycam footage was released it would paint a very different story than was told in the documentary.

I do hope Lewis has his say, after all, he was there, he lived it and the only other person who can recount that incident is no longer here and then you have the attending officers who experienced the aftermath which happens to be the thing she was most afraid of coming out.

It is very sad that she died but painting her as some kind of whiter than white victim is wrong.