Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

The other boyfriend who said that Caroline was abusive to him, was also abusive to others.

He actually got jailed for harrassment. He was in prison

You can be a bad person and be a victim of abuse.

You are still completely wrong. Also being a solicitor, doesn't make you perfect at everything to do with crime.

Did you read their report - where it says they chose to charge her because she didn't admit guilt?

Of course.

And he was an abuser himself too

@Finto1111that line doesn’t erase the fact that the CPS makes decisions based on a strict set of criteria. Her refusal to admit guilt may have played into it, because if she had admitted guilt she could have been dealt with in other ways, but it won’t have been the sole reason.

It’s really very strange that you’re bending over backwards to try and justify her abuse.

Justify?

Or say that some cases should not be proceeded with.

I am not the only poster saying that. Other posters on here have said the same as me

I agree with all of this, but it is the case the police will take a victim’s views on whether to take things further on board. Domestic violence isn’t always prosecuted, but the tendency to agree with a victim’s reasons not to go further is far less common than it used to be.

Also, in the documentary , I cant remember the exaxct wording of this - it said that Caroline's lawyer submitted a doctor's report saying that Caroline was very mentally ill and weak,

that she had deteriorated very badly, and was not mentally fit to stand trial.

They said that this report was ignored.

To the solicitors on here - why would that report be ignored?

It was abuse. That should be prosecuted.

in answer to your other question, likely because she was assessed as fit to stand trial by an independent doctor.

would you go to these lengths to defend her if she was a man, and the victim a woman?

I dont know how the independent doctor could assess her as fit to stand trial. She was in a terrible state.

In the documentary it says She tried to commit suicide around this time. She did it by taking pills the first time. And they managed to save her that time. How could she be fit to stand trial

Its nothing to do with her being a woman. There are many female criminals that I think are disgusting.

It is the case

Did you know her?

Many abusers will use mental health issues as a means to distract from what they’ve done.

You need to remember the exact wording because the exact wording is key here.

Know her? No.

Did you?

Well she wasn't using mental health issues as a way to distract from what she didn was she, seeing as she ultimately killed herself.

She was definitelty in mental pain

I will have to watch it again, as I don't remember.

She abused her boyfriend and couldn’t stand the thought of her public reputation being ruined forever.

I’m afraid I have trouble finding sympathy for her.

In many ways, the dodgy messages, mental health, alcohol etc are all red herrings. Caroline hit a defenceless (sleeping) man over the head and he subsequently felt it warranted calling the police.

All the other factors contributed to her actions, but would surely be brought up in court as mitigating factors, and would influence what she pleads and/or any sentence if she was found guilty.

Also, the police/cbs can’t prosecute just because someone had mental health issue, was drunk, etc - the prisons would be hand empty if this was the case, and as someone said above, many prisoners aren’t evil, but just have done something wrong.

Another thought, people are saying the police were tough because she was famous. However, if they did nothing, then the police would be accused of letting her off, because she was famous.

And another thought, didn’t the mother blame the friends who were with her at the time for her death?

The fact she reacted to cutting her wrists because he called the polices clearly shows the state of her mental stability. I think it was going to be a matter of time before she took her life. When the media got wind it gave her the go ahead to go through with it. As clearly stated on here if your partners abusive but threatens to kill themselves you still leave. Its emotional blackmail. She made a choice, the police are not to blame for doing their jobs. She cut her wrists to cause an reaction to him calling the police. There's nothing to say that wasnt the start of her physically abusing him or that he hadn't reported it prior. Men can find it harder to report abuse. This was an abusive relationship which was escalating further.

Yes i think she was very mentally ill and fragile anyway.

Just goes to show that mental ill health can affect anyone.

She had a very loving family. She had a great job. Good money. She was still mentally very unwell

I did not know her.

I however, did have a very close family memeber commit suicide, so maybe I have more empathy for her and her mother because of that.

We all arrive at our own opinions, from our life experiences.

So why did she enter a not guilty plea?

Or say it was accidental?

My brothers female next door neighbour punched him in the throat and he had to go to A&E.
Her mitigating factor was her mental health issues so they didn't charge or caution.

I personally think a caution would have been sufficient (in both cases).

We've had a few requests to move this to Telly Addicts. We think that's an appropriate space so we've moved it over.

Yes I watched it, it was very sad, she clearly had mental health issues and the boyfriend also sounded manipulative.
I mean of course she was upset if he'd been cheating on her and clearly was drunk. She shouldn't have hit him with his phone, he was injured but not seriously.
They both sounded messed up and not particularly stable.
And why did the boyfriends friend leak the photos? He must have got them from the boyfriend.
I would have liked the boyfriend to be interviewed and got his account of that night.
The evidence presented does strongly point to the fact that she shouldnt have been charged.
It's tragic all round.
The CPS advised against it. The original detectives said a caution, it sounded like a senior detective had a bee in their bonnet about making her an example.
Many(most?) domestic abusive don't end up in court despite repeat offences which is outrageous.
And her boyfriend didn't want to press charges.
The media also have a lot to answer for, reporting on something said in court that should have been confidential until the verdict.
The Sun newspaper running that front page story then doing an award in her name after she died really made me uncomfortable.

My ex was the same. Did horrible things to me and would hurt himself, as if to say “yes I hurt you but now you must move on from that because I’m now hurt”. That’s one reason I struggled to have empathy at the time this happened to CF. It all felt quite familiar to me and probably many other people who have been victims of DV themselves.

That said, I watched the documentary and I ended up feeling sorry for her and how much of a mess she was in- the media coverage rather than losing her job. The scum were especially awful. And the apparent horror she felt at the idea of police body cam footage being shown as evidence in a trial. I have had mental health issues and wouldn’t want footage of me at my worst being made public either. But that said, her own behaviour kicked all this off, she just didn’t know what it was going to lead to. That’s probably very hard for her mum to come to terms with.

You are basing your opinion of this on a biased documentary, and probably projecting your own experience too, as we all do.

This woman was predatory, and she was an abuser. She took her own life because she chose to. No one else did that to her no matter how much her mother wants to believe they did.

I don’t entirely trust the police, but I don’t think they are as relevant as you want to believe. Caroline was a sick, disturbed individual and it showed in her behaviour, towards others and herself.