MAFS #12 NO SPOILERS. The mugs are getting muggier whilst farting dogs keep blindsighting us. Accountability is yet to be taken, and backs are not being had. The same old arguments are on repeat, self-relfection accountability and thrush galore.

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Save us. Please.

Me too, she is all about self reflection but doesn't want to self reflect.
Ashley can be annoying, he's trying to mould himself into the man she needs, she admitted he is dependable and caring too. I'd say he is judging by the relationship he has with his DM and Dsis.
Grace needs a more serious character.
John is the new Dean for me, irritatingly smiling like a weirdo. Abi is nearly as weird too.

I do think Grace is autistic too. She reminds me of my DD (but Grace seems to struggle more).

My DD is ‘normal’ in every other way but has struggled with friendships and work relationships because she cannot understand that her interpretation of an interaction might not quite be how everyone else would see it, or how it was intended.

Ash and Grace have to leave at the next opportunity. They certainly are not a good match

I’m just catching up on last nights episode now

All the dresses are very booby !

I don’t think he is lying. And I am as suspicious a rad fem as they come.

I think he made absolutely massive attempts to be patient with her when she was frankly being utterly neurotic and weird at the beginning, and he actually (unlike many of the other guys who just blow a gasket or run away when there’s a disagreement) does seem able to have calm and measured two way conversations about feelings and issues which I suspect is a skill he’s had to work on a lot in the last few weeks.

However I think he realised before she did that it was never going to work because they are too different - there was always going to be something else about him that she didn’t like.

Is there an episode on tonight? My tv guide says not, but the channel 4 app says new episode available today?

No episode tonight. It probably means last night's episode.

Grace and Ash really are exhausting. It’s just a mismatch.

I don’t think either is necessarily in the wrong totally. I do think Ash has some dubious attitudes to women, but many women don’t seem to mind that. Grace does, but she seems to get upset and frustrated, which lands badly with Ash and makes him defensive. She’d be better off laughing at him and saying ‘that’s not going to get you laid, Boyo.’ Just - get your message across playfully so he learns without feeling attacked. Maybe?

But he’s also being quite dramatic about saying he needs to change his entire personality. He doesn’t. He just needs to say ‘Oh shit. Yeah. Sorry. I see how that came across. I didn’t mean that at all. I meant I find YOU attractive.’ and then they both drop the nonsense and move on. It’s not a big deal.

All of which is completely irrelevant because they are incapable of doing any of that, don’t match and need to give it up now. They don’t seem to have any bloody fun anymore.

Grace is getting a huge amount of criticism on social media. I do feel bad for her as her mental health seems pretty fragile.

Yes I think she’s so entrenched in how things seem to her that she feels she has to get him to see her point of view all the bloody time. Yes he’s sexist fundamentally but not a bad person. Equally she had a complete meltdown simply by meeting him, could not bear to he touched by him or anyone (not her fault btw) & refers to them getting it on as “he offered intercourse”. Another person would not react so adversely to everything he says & does. She needs a man who is actually a feminist. It was interesting how she included her having thrush into the mix of his advances. Implying he was not acknowledging why she wouldn’t want sex. And taking his responding to the sight of her body sexually (isn’t that what happens mutually when in a relationship?) as an offensive eg of him objectifying her & also making her feel like any body literally as just a piece of meat.
I don’t know I can see her point but I think she’s too hung up on it all & needs a fellow feminist but think she uses that as a means to expect another person to react & respond to her exactly how she wants them to be. Which as Ash has pointed out, is simply not possible. She has too many issues with control. And now cannot bear this being the final straw that has broken Ash’s resolve or commitment to their relationship.

I don't watch it but keep meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your thread titles!

I read on a Facebook page that one of the couples are from a casting agency. No hints as to which couple however the majority of guesses are for Abby and John.

Grace repeatedly demanding that Ash "self-reflect" during partner swop week reminded me of Supernanny putting a child on the naughty step so they could reflect upon what they had said or done.

I do feel quite sorry for Grace, she is clearly a deeply unhappy and conflicted person who needs therapy rather than exposure on this dreadful programme (that I am thoroughly enjoying!). The 'ixperts' really need to be re-named. "Shit-stirrers", something of that nature would be more appropriate.

Thanks 🙂

Ooh interesting! Wouldn’t be surprised. But then a lot of them are recruited through other Z list casting apparently - like the pool of wannabes that go on Celebs Go Dating as possible dates. Maeve is apparently best friends with an ex Geordie Shore celeb - which seems no accident.
Others like Grace & Nelly seem too ordinary to have been casted but who knows?!

I wouldn't be surprised about Abi and John - everything they say seems scripted.

It’s what I said several pages back that they were a’plant’ to make the experts look good.

I am getting a bit worried about Grace and how she is coping with the backlash from the public. I think she isn’t a bad person and the editing could have very much exaggerated her moaning all the time. Hoping she is ok. Everyone on social media is worrying if ash is ok and saying what an awful time he has had at the hands of Grace. but the public perception of him is good. So he won’t be having to cope with any backlash.

It's like Sarah and Dean all over again, the woman is villainized and the poor menz get laid. The women are meant to just keep schtum and take what they are given.

But they are so obviously acting, surely real actors would be better?
I was wondering if it was Grace and Ash and that was why her friends were so rehearsed on what they believed in and why she had no family. Or Bailey and Rebecca. They're pretty beige so if they wanted to go under the radar...

Really Grace and Ash simply bring out the worst in each other. They're both ok people but not for each other. Grace needs a navel gazing beardy hyper sensitive almost asexual Sheldon-like praying mantis with relationship agreements/ carefully negotiated annual coitus and Ash needs a jolly frolicking giggling always-ready for a larf Ma ‘Darling Buds of May’ type.

Abi & John don’t seem to have any natural chemistry or obvious connection. It’s all talk bit when you see them together nothing is natural. I know they haven’t had the same amount of time but still. I just don’t buy that she’s into hin. At all!

That's what Grace wants but what she needs is someone who makes her laugh.

This. They freak me out. Their smiles don’t even reach their eyes. It’s like they are out of that smile movie

Grace has so much whine she should open a bar!
As for the 'experts' WTAF is going on with them ... I was absolutly gobsmacked that they play along and they are really not seeing the truth, all 3 are a embarressment to our proffession!