Celeb Traitors #2. Who will blink first under Claudia’s stare, will Alan crack under pressure and how good does Mark Bonnar look in a kilt?

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And who will be the first to be banished from the table?

Cat is getting an easy ride, Jonathan is in the spotlight and having to fight his corner and Alan is involved...she is lying low and not adding much.

Don't like that Alan and Cat would throw Jonathan under the bus so soon.

Glad Ruth has gone she was so irritating!

It is not as good as the main Traitors show.

I’m meant to be working so have started the next thread a bit early.

looking forward to listening to TRIE - thanks for the suggestion @CaveMum

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He has a 2.1 Cambs BA, which is automatically upgraded to an MA. In the game, Clare Balding has exactly the same degree, also a Cambridge 2.1 in Eng Lit, and no one is behaving as though she’s an intellectual giant.

Not to mention Nick has a First in Geophysics from Durham and was doing his PhD in the same at Cambridge before dropping out to do comedy/acting.

#TeamNick 😜

Watched The Rest is Entertainment last night, and the consensus between Marina and Richard is that Stephen is playing down his intelligence in order to stay in longer.

Maybe. I wonder though if it's more that he's not scripted, and also not in control of what can happen, therefore he's out of his comfort zone and less able to wear the heavy intellectual persona he does usually.

I do think, despite not believing him to be the intellectual genius he purports to be, that his idea of voting without discussion was a good one.

The voting without discussion is a good idea, but I imagine that the producers would veto it as what they really want for good TV is a row.

That’s just made me think actually - obviously this is where celebs are different and Ruth excepted, may be holding back a little.

Exactly. And David Olusoga, though, unusually, he doesn’t have a PhD, has numerous honorary doctorates, has published and presented well-regarded work, and holds many awards, and also a professorship at the U of Manchester.

I’m not particularly dissing Stephen Fry, about whom I have no strong feelings, positive or negative, I’m just saying that a Cambridge 2.1 isn’t exactly unique, and that three other people in this Traitors series have the same or higher educational qualifications without being regarded as particular intellectual titans.

I did wonder if the producers vetoed it. But if they did, wouldn’t they just cut the suggestion in the first place?

I would argue for the wrong reasons though! Sheer luck

She thought Alan simply because least likely to kill his pal Paloma. But his motivation was entirely different: he was most comfortable with touching Paloma. If, say, he'd had to administer poison in someone's drink, I'd argue he wouldn't have selected her.

And the accusing Jonathan because of the car convo is neither here nor there. He genuinely doesn't remember saying it and even if he did it was clearly a throwaway comment

The only one who's properly deduced something is Joe M.

Before this started I was a bit meh about Alan - didn't love him but didn't loathe him either - however loving him on this and the fact that he killed off Paloma whereas everyone thinks he couldn't possibly do that to a friend as he's so nice.

DH thinks he could only have killed Paloma because touching someone else's face would have been too obvious but I disagree - I think he could have got away with touching any of the women's faces by saying oh careful you've got a bit of something here/ a hair here or similar whereas JR doing the sane would have been more outing

I wish they would get rid of Lucy - always find her tedious, Kate is irritating but I think worth keeping in as less likely to work out traitors

I'm really enjoying it - much more so than the standard one

His reputation for being really smart started gaining ground in the years he did QI, which was mad because he was fed the answers. Traitors proves that people aren't good judges of other people in general and I think we are often mistaken about celebrities in general. I'm not saying he is stops, just that I have never seen evidence that he is the intellectual colossus he is painted. Being articulate and remembering facts isn't a measure of intelligence.

I’ve met a few men like Stephen over the years in work and because they speak with a posh accent, people assume they are clever and good at the job. Which isn’t always the case.

I’m dying for this to happen just to see his face

Yes, but Clare Balding is considerably posher than SF — her mother is the sister of the current Earl of Huntingdon, and she comes from a long line of polo players, racehorse trainers etc.

I’m just wondering if Rugby Joe will suddenly remember that time when Wossy totally forgot he had a shield. No true Faithful would ever forget such a thing.

Bugger. I didn’t know there was one this morning. I won’t get time to listen until later.

The question was clearly designed for them to either take ages on or get wrong to encourage them to have to give up a shield either there or at another gate when they ran out to time.

Just popping by to say Celia farting has been a highlight 😂

I thought they were hoping everyone would forget about Paris 🤣

She backed up Ruth, who was wrong.

Jonathan Ross never suggested they make an alliance or were an alliance of four, as they were driving in the car. He merely kindly reassured Ruth who was whining about not knowing anyone, alongside Niko, that she and Niko had two allies now - Clare and he would be their friends in the show.

Saying "you have two allies" is not the same as saying, "let's form an alliance."

I agree @bluevalley - I think Jonathan Ross was unfairly treated by Ruth. On TRIE Marina Hyde speculated that there was something else going on with Ruth as her dislike and contempt for JR was absolutely visceral - Marina speculated it could be age based in the OK Boomer style which I think might be the case.

It's not like it's not on film. They can just roll the tape!

Niko: So there's a one in thirteen chance of being murdered tonight.
Jonathan, turning around from the front seat to chat: If you form alliances with people, that might swing it in your favour.
Clare: Yes. Some people know each other already.
Ruth: I don't know anyone.
Niko: We're in trouble.
Clare: No, you're not.
Jonathan: You've got two older allies here already.
Clare: Exactly.

I mean, if Rossy is guilty of forming this dastardly alliance of four, then so is Clare. I hope Ruth and Clare watch the episodes and see how unhinged they were. I realy enjoyed Ruth until she became obsessed with and so vindictive about JR.

Even when they showed the car tape Ruth wouldn't back down, I'm glad she's gone.

Exactly
She comes across as someone who is naturally intelligent

This