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Was anyone else aware that the new Dr Who series was starting tonight??

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bizzey · 12/04/2025 17:44

😮..I have come across it by accident.

Last year it was was well advertised.
The TARDIS flying on the BBC screen at every opportunity and so.

I do record a lot of my programmes so maybe I missed it ?

But I didn't last year 🤔.

And I really thought they said it was going to be May for the new series ?

Have I been on another planet ? 😂😂😂 !!

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TheNightingalesStarling · 01/06/2025 08:58

Also, the doctor seems to have a habit of creating time lord children (but not his children)... Jenny and Melody were time Lords...

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 09:01

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 08:44

Rose Noble shoehorned in to tick a box and then not used to any great effect

Do you mean last night, or in general? She was pretty integral to the first of the 14th Doctor episodes and, as she ended up working at Unit, why shouldn’t she have been there in the finale?

Popped up, did nothing of any great importance. Again, visibility important, but I feel RTD uses protected characteristics as window dressing sometimes.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/06/2025 09:14

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 00:35

I don’t mind Ncuti not having a uniform (honestly, with an infinite Tardis wardrobe, why would you wear the same thing every day?) as he certainly had a consistent style.

I don’t know why we needed Omega at all. Here’s Mrs Flood and then the Rani being perfectly fine mysterious villians, then Omega appears for 5 mins, eats the Rani and gets fried by the doctor. At least Sutekh had to get dragged through the time vortex for a bit to finish him off.

That’s a great article.

For me the “uniform” is a part of the doctor’s incarnation - it aways says something about them. Giving the brevity of Ncuti’s tenure and how underused he was within that tenure it feels like he just didn’t deserve his own uniform. I’m quite happy to accept that this is irrational but I’ve seen Ncuti in enough other productions to feel quite aggrieved at how poorly he has been served in the scripts and how little we have seen of him as an actor.

Compare his storylines and scripts to the truly hammy Tenant (whom I’ve also seen in many other productions) - his chronic overacting was quite well contained within coherent story arcs and generally much better scripts.

Its tempting to say that the showrunners were so caught up with the “first” black doctor (and the first gay doctor) and the first woman doctor that they forgot you still need a decent story arc and gripping scripts. That said I think its more a case of its just gone up its own backside in recent seasons and needs a fresh eye. Preferably an eye that can get over Tenant obsession.

Agree the Rani stands fine alone, doesn’t need some shitty CGI supervillain - the scariest monsters are always those we don’t see. That article really did summarise rather well.

8misskitty8 · 01/06/2025 09:21

TheNightingalesStarling · 01/06/2025 08:23

How is Omega the creator of the time Lords, and the doctor the Timeless child?

So many contradictions. The CGI was terrible.

Poppy was confusing.

Omega created the ability to travel through time not the ability to regenerate.

He couldn’t return to ‘our dimension’ as he was anti matter. He tried a couple of times to return before, 3rd doctor with the help of the 1st and 2nd doctors stopped him. If I remember rightly he started to fade away and I think it was to do with touching something from our dimension.

He tried again with the 5th doctor, he copied his body in some way but he was stopped again.
Been a while since I rewatched the classic who though so going from memory.

Regeneration came from the timeless child- the doctor. (At least according to most recent times. Worst storyline ever)

C8H10N4O2 · 01/06/2025 09:23

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 07:17

I just need to add the thought that Laurence Fox is most likely raging at Billie getting arguably the biggest gig on telly - presuming she has actually got it and it's not RTD having a little laugh at our expense. Which makes the casting just a little bit better for me.

I’m a fan of Billie Piper the actor, if she hadn’t been in the show before I would be hopeful for a Piper season. I cannot see how they can reconcile her already being established as the very human Rose with being a time lord. I also have the niggling fear that this is yet another hook which Davies would use to shoehorn Tenant in at every opportunity.

Someone completely fresh is the norm and would be better.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/06/2025 09:31

Just adding an archive link for the article in case the sharetoken expires:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250601082810/www.thetimes.com/culture/tv-radio/article/doctor-who-finale-season-2-review-cbd7bq6ns" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20250601082810/www.thetimes.com/culture/tv-radio/article/doctor-who-finale-season-2-review-cbd7bq6ns

NB - the editor keeps breaking the double link but hopefully you can cut and paste it direct

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 01/06/2025 09:58

I don't have a problem with David Tennant or Billie Piper reappearing. The issue I have is that it's a substitute for having actual ideas.

If you look from the outside, there appears to be a strong overall connection across all of Ncuti's series - family. Ruby, the Doctor, Bel, the mine episode, Well.

But there was no good storytelling to really get you intrigued. They fumbled the bag on Ruby's mum, then we were suddenly asked to care A LOT about her banging on about a baby that was theoretically the Doctor's, and then the reveal of her actually wanting to get back to your baby.

This was a payoff to a mystery they never got us interested in in the first place.

I like it when the Doctor isn't saving the world but a very big part of someone's (loved that 10 died for Wilf, not for Rose). But this wasn't even that, because he thought it was his baby he was saving.

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 11:42

I don't have a problem with David Tennant or Billie Piper reappearing. The issue I have is that it's a substitute for having actual ideas.

Agree! And would extend to not having a problem with Classic Who characters reappearing except as a substitute for having actual ideas. The Master, Daleks, Cybermen, Autons etc have all had good and developed stories in Nu Who. But Sutekh and Omega felt thrown in for the sake of it.

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 11:44

as the very human Rose with being a time lord.

Hmmm, it might be Bad Wolf rather than Rose who is in the Tardis.

JamesWebbSpaceTelescope · 01/06/2025 11:52

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 09:01

Popped up, did nothing of any great importance. Again, visibility important, but I feel RTD uses protected characteristics as window dressing sometimes.

It was the line that ‘Conrad could image someone as fabulous as you’ which is why she want there at all. But the people with disabilities were bit in a shanty town. It did seem very forced.

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 11:54

Yeah, all the reviewers are also confused

www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who-series-15-episode-8-review-the-reality-war/

suburburban · 01/06/2025 11:56

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 06:13

I haven't enjoyed Ncuti at all, the crying, the hamming it up, it was a relief when he regenerated.
Rose Noble shoehorned in to tick a box and then not used to any great effect..Disability 'we're invisible' used as a box-tick and then conveniently forgotten - yes visibility is so important, but it becomes tokenistic when characters are little more than props with an occasional line of little consequence.
Finally get a strong female villain. Gets eaten by shonky CGI - where is the Disney money going?
Roared with laughter at Belinda's 'Daddys home' as the Doctor took off his coat and changed into a kilt. Haven't enjoyed the costume changes.
I have also not enjoyed everyone looking at Ncuti as if they want to rip off his pants and Jodie saying how handsome he is was a hard eye roll from me... But it was lovely to see her and made me realise how much I missed her. 'I should have told Yas I loved her was unnecessary.
High point - Anita's realisation that the Doctor is gay. A lovely little subtle blink of a performance, that underlined how Ncuti overacts everything.
At this point I'd obviously love anyone that he regenerated into, I adore Billie Piper as an actress, I hope it isn't a RTD jolly little jape and she's firmly in.
I've fallen out of love with it a bit. I want that big love to come back.

I always thought the Dr was asexual and I preferred it that way as it was in the older series

they have made the Dr too human itms

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 11:59

I hope it isn't a RTD jolly little jape and she's firmly in.

I don’t think anyone can be firmly in right now as it’s unclear if Disney are renewing and what happens if they don’t.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 01/06/2025 12:04

I don't have a problem with David Tennant or Billie Piper reappearing. The issue I have is that it's a substitute for having actual ideas.

It's odd though as I agree but there have been good ideas - the time hotel had promise and yet time and time again they seem to be wasted and go nowhere.

So many loose ends, plot holes, confusing reconning and increasingly poor acting - unit especially. Only watched as DH really pushed us to watch with him - and I used to love Dr Who - FIL who watched since start pretty much done.

DH want us to watch the spin off The war between land and sea - and we saw some filming in our very local area - ie next street over - so might but can't say I have high hopes for it and not sure teens will even bother.

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 12:06

I also thought of the Doctor as asexual - liked Smith's awkwardness with River, enjoyed Capaldi not snogging everyone (I believe out of respect for his wife) & Capaldi and River worked especially well in the Xmas episode as they didn't kiss. Jodie, absolutely asexual, fandom relentlessly shipping Jodie's doctor and Yas was fairly annoying.

Ncuti, I could almost smell the bodily fluids, the way he was male/female gazed was extremely irritating to me.

OrsolaRosso · 01/06/2025 12:09

I am continuing to process yesterday's episode, and the implications for the rest of the series.
What I am struggling to understand is why Belinda didn't mention from the start that she needed to get back to her daughter.
And why was Poppy a Space Baby when she was Belinda's daughter?

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 01/06/2025 12:15

What I am struggling to understand is why Belinda didn't mention from the start that she needed to get back to her daughter.

I thought reality was re-written post wish world and then Dr doing what ever he did with chest and light.

So first pass she didn't have a daughter and Dr remember that.

Then when he met at end we had flash back to her constantly mentioning getting back for her DD - and he went oh - because reality was changed and his memory was either catching up or his memory was stuck in reality where she had no daughter or poppy was his daughter (wish reality) - hence him checking she was 100% human.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/06/2025 12:18

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 06:13

I haven't enjoyed Ncuti at all, the crying, the hamming it up, it was a relief when he regenerated.
Rose Noble shoehorned in to tick a box and then not used to any great effect..Disability 'we're invisible' used as a box-tick and then conveniently forgotten - yes visibility is so important, but it becomes tokenistic when characters are little more than props with an occasional line of little consequence.
Finally get a strong female villain. Gets eaten by shonky CGI - where is the Disney money going?
Roared with laughter at Belinda's 'Daddys home' as the Doctor took off his coat and changed into a kilt. Haven't enjoyed the costume changes.
I have also not enjoyed everyone looking at Ncuti as if they want to rip off his pants and Jodie saying how handsome he is was a hard eye roll from me... But it was lovely to see her and made me realise how much I missed her. 'I should have told Yas I loved her was unnecessary.
High point - Anita's realisation that the Doctor is gay. A lovely little subtle blink of a performance, that underlined how Ncuti overacts everything.
At this point I'd obviously love anyone that he regenerated into, I adore Billie Piper as an actress, I hope it isn't a RTD jolly little jape and she's firmly in.
I've fallen out of love with it a bit. I want that big love to come back.

I really do think the hamming was the fault of the script - I’ve seen him perform entirely differently in other productions. (unlike Tenant who seems incapable of doing “subtle” in anything and was rather well contained by the early scripts).

Otherwise I agree with most of your points, including wanting the big love to come back.

This post reminded me of @SheilaFentiman ’s It's a bit of a rock and a hard place for the showrunners - too much focus on sexism or racism and Dr Who is 'woke' - not enough and it's unrealistic!. which I meant to come back to.

I’ve no doubt that the white MC male dominated Beeb would say exactly that. I have no sympathy with that viewpoint's hierarchy of representation - as someone who ticks quite a few of the EDI boxes, both inborn and acquired, I could tell you that the culture behind the story telling and writing is white male MC without looking at the team.

The hierarchy typically prioritises areas which are of no risk to or actually benefit the dominant cultural group creating the content. So sexuality, gender support - also benefits some MC white men and just happens to get disproportionate representation (and tragically bad casting in some cases). Some ethnicities are included whilst others are completely overlooked (how many East Asian or Jewish major characters in this mostly UK city based drama?) Coverage of women is often ambivalent. I don’t even think its deliberate or even conscious quite often, its simply what happens when the dominant group determine coverage. The pious lecture mode for those of us too thick to get the righteous point just grates.

I agree with @Snapespeare that hammering on about visibility is inconsistent with actual representation if the characters remain background characters. That said you want a blend of background, supporting and occasional leads. I thought the Rose Ayling episode was masterful - brilliantly written, the disability was relevant and she was a key character in the story without being what the story was entirely about. I felt the same about Dot Bubble.

I’d also call out small moments such as Belinda taking the doctor to task for the Doctor mansplaining to her and scanning her without consent - those small moments are “good” diversity writing, largely because they simply flow without RTD putting a neon sign over them to virtue signal.

Overall like Snapes I want to love it again and part of my frustration is because sometimes they get it so right that I feel they should be getting it right more often (and drop the bloody lectures).

I also am annoyed at the early loss of Belinda and Archie’s Rani. Two brilliant actors/characters wasted.

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 12:22

I'm trying to get my head around Belinda is a mum now, so no more adventures - & while that's Belinda's choice & hauling Poppy into peril isn't the best option, I can't work out if RTD is extending the mummy-issues in some of his previous work ('its a sin' springs immediately to mind) Are we meant to think motherhood restricts our ability to career off around the universe? What if she got lost and came back and Poppy was 75?

C8H10N4O2 · 01/06/2025 12:27

Snapespeare · 01/06/2025 12:22

I'm trying to get my head around Belinda is a mum now, so no more adventures - & while that's Belinda's choice & hauling Poppy into peril isn't the best option, I can't work out if RTD is extending the mummy-issues in some of his previous work ('its a sin' springs immediately to mind) Are we meant to think motherhood restricts our ability to career off around the universe? What if she got lost and came back and Poppy was 75?

💯- its a good example of “bad” diversity writing from the dominant group.

The brilliant and independent Belinda has a child so suddenly she must stay home and be a Mummy despite the fact that she clearly wanted to continue to see the stars. She is now a Mum so must wait in the hope that some future incarnation will take her on the promised trip to Neptune.

Presumably Timelords passim travelled with their children (and Doctor Who travelled with a grandchild). I don’t see why Belinda has to stay home.

Ellmau · 01/06/2025 12:45

Also, Belinda seemed to have a complete personality change when she 'became' a mum.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 01/06/2025 12:56

Are we meant to think motherhood restricts our ability to career off around the universe?

I do think there increasing a wider issue round motherhood and friendship coming from USA in writing.

Friendship seem to not be understood without sexual tension. I loved Doctor and Donna just mates traveling round having fun.

Motherhood seems to either mean stopping doing anything but motherhood or ignoring it entirely and fucking off for career ambitions not looking back. My experience is people male and female trying for balance - balanacing being parents with careers and rest of life. Kids have been in tardis before why not with a mother.

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 12:58

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 01/06/2025 12:15

What I am struggling to understand is why Belinda didn't mention from the start that she needed to get back to her daughter.

I thought reality was re-written post wish world and then Dr doing what ever he did with chest and light.

So first pass she didn't have a daughter and Dr remember that.

Then when he met at end we had flash back to her constantly mentioning getting back for her DD - and he went oh - because reality was changed and his memory was either catching up or his memory was stuck in reality where she had no daughter or poppy was his daughter (wish reality) - hence him checking she was 100% human.

Thanks for this, it was baffling me too.

So
reality 1 - belinda lives next door to Mrs flood, single, no kid, kidnapped by robots controlled by her ex
wish world - poppy is wished into existence because Conrad thinks SAHMs should be the rule and the doctor would love to have a Dd. This poppy is half bel, half doctor DNA (in some way)
reality 2 - Belinda still got kidnapped by robots but has left her fully human Dd poppy at home with her mum while she works and is always trying to get back for her.

Which Poppy is it in Space Babies and The Story and the Engine then, I wonder?

CatOnAHotRadiator · 01/06/2025 13:00

I’m not even convinced they’re back in the real world. They’d have slipped “gravity” back in rather than “mavity”. Unless that is just the writers arsing about as that’s otherwise a thread to nowhere as well!

SheilaFentiman · 01/06/2025 13:01

@CatHairEveryWhereNow Belinda is still a nurse with a career that matters to her, as well as a DD, at the end.

I do think it would be entirely unrealistic for any parent to fly in the Tardis with a young child. Look how the parents of adult companions (Rory’s dad etc) were always aware they could lose their child for good.