The Traitors #12 why are we still here?!

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The third series may be over but we still have a lot to say.

Oh goody another thread
I don’t have SM so get my info here
thank you

I also googled Frankie. Her shop has gone out of business and her interior design business accounts show a loss every year I looked at.

She might come from a well to do background and have a nice website, but that’s not saying she’s financially successful in her own right at the moment.

I think she’s either remarried, or with a partner now though and their new home’s been featured in the media, and it looks expensive, so she has a seemingly nice lifestyle even if she has struggled at times. I’m just mindful that people rarely give away the whole and genuine story of their life behind closed doors.

listening to uncloaked on sounds is enjoyable.
Ask Alexander for a selfie!

bbc Wales want to speak to Charlotte

I think it's difficult.

If everyone else votes to banish again, and you're the only person who votes to stop, does that maybe make you look more like a traitor who knows they're going to win and therefore wants to stop.

I think Claudia should recruit 6 traitors but they work alone- no traitors tower, they don't know who each other is. They would then each be given a night to murder (or have to try and murder in plain sight!). When banished, only the audience would know if they are a faithful or a traitor because if they revealed at the banishment, the flaw then would be the Faithful could count down how many they got. The recruitment of new traitors is definitely the flaw!

Frankie saying this to Leanne round the fire pit picked up on their 121 chat in the kitchen where Frankie had assured Leanne that she wouldn’t banish her because she wanted her to have the money for her IVF, and she as a fellow ‘mummy’ couldn’t take that away from her.

So repeating it at the fire pit was appealing to Leanne to trust her and not banish her.

I don’t remember whether Charlotte was still standing there at that point, I don’t think so - but Frankie had to play the game and Charlotte was a traitor so Frankie had to detach and kind of treat Charlotte as ‘dead to me’. Frankie would do everything to keep herself in and that meant appealing to Leanne.

Charlotte didn't make it to the fire pit. She was banished at the round table. Nothing about being a mother etc was previously said in front of Charlotte and it was purely between frankie and leanne.

@TooManyCupsAndMugs I like the idea but the plotting/suspense is a big part of the show. I think two groups of 3 or 4 could be fun and maybe the faithfuls don't know it's two groups. So the traitors are no longer all knowing.

I enjoyed this series, felt it was a bit slow at the start but picked up.

Even though Alexander didn't win I'm sure he will get plenty of opportunities now as he was so popular.

I think Minah was a fantastic Traitor and had she picked someone other than Charlotte (who imo was equally as good) she probably would have made it further. Linda was entertaining but a terrible traitor!

Wish Fozia would have stayed in for longer as enjoyed her insights and she seemed very perceptive.

I liked Leanne, she was playing a good game- the faithful often seem to forget that gameplay is just as important for them to progress as it is for the traitors.

Alexander said very clearly at the round table to Frankie : I gave you my coins as knew I couldn't win the Seer. I hope you'll choose me so that I can tell you I'm a faithful. He couldn't have been clearer. I think Alexander was disappointed that it wasn't him and also that it wasn't leanne (who he suspected).

He's very switched on and logical also, I suspect he knew the Seer was a poisoned chalice for both parties. I think Frankie probably didn't choose him as he already had a lot of suspicion around him and was likely to be banished; makes sense really to go for the person you are most uncertain about.

Ah of course. In which case, I don’t think Frankie did anything wrong and wasn’t being unkind about Charlotte’s own need for IVF.

i thought Charlotte wanted the money to go traveling.

At the dinner party thing she said travelling but at the end also very quickly, like she didn't really want to talk more about it (fair enough) mentioned using it for IVF.

I interpreted Frankie talking about being a mum as grasping at a straw of what is the one thing she felt she could swear on or appeal to Leanne with to prove she wasn’t lying. In the NZ version (no spoiler) one of them swears on the lives of her children that’s she’s a faithful and it’s like a magic thing to say, because they all feel that lying about that is somehow beyond the pale. Although I see from comments that Wilf did exactly that in series 1!

I thought when Charlotte said about her body not being very good at making babies it was quite moving and it seemed very genuine

In a different way from her upset at Frankie crossing her demeanour

I agree, I thought it was nice to see a working class mum winning rather than a very privileged man for once (and Jake too) ;) Alexander is a now a consultant, and having worked in a management consultancy , I can safely say he definitely won't need the money. He did seem nice, don't get me wrong but I don't think he played the game especially well.

The Seer bit was rubbish as it just cost Charlotte the game, I didn't love her as a traitor but as traitors go, she was a really good one.

Alexander never claimed to 'need' the money - he was going to given it to charity.

Frankie never claimed to be poor in need of the cash (I can't even remember what she said she would do with it at the dinner party but I'm guessing it was for uni fees etc for her kids)

The whole worthiness of the winner (based on their want/need of the money) is totally irrelevant to me. It's a game - the winner or winners take the money. The rules aren't the poorest person wins or the one who will use it in the most worthy way wins. It would be a very dull show if 25 people got taken to castle pitched their sob story and the most heart string tugging one got the money.

dont forget Alexander wanted the winnings for a charity @Bloodycatswakingmeuponasaturday

i don't think what they want the money for is important.
just because someone gives a good sob story, or doesn't shouldn't matter.
its traitors they could be lying lol

The reasons they'll use the winnings for (or say they'll use them for!) are irrelevant. It's a game.

I wish Alexander and Jake had won because they seemed to genuinely recognise that it's a game. They've all signed up to it voluntarily. They didn't make it bitchy or personal.

Leanne was awful the way she'd get angry and insulted at anyone daring to question her status as a faithful, yet she was quite happy to accuse others. It came across as bullying and aggressive.

Frankie was just wet, got everything wrong pretty much for most of the game. Ok she didn't choose to become the Seer (although she could have chucked her gold coins in Alexander's box if she wanted!) but the way she seemed to be personally affronted when Charlotte gave a different version of what happened at the Seer table was laughable. What choice did Charlotte have? Did Frankie really expect her not to continue playing the game?

Frankie using 'as a mother' to Leanne was awful too. And as for 'I don't like drama', ffs woman you clearly do.

I can't say I particularly warmed to Charlotte but at least she played the game and only became overly emotional after the Seer thing when she was hanging on a thread to remain in the game. Leanne and Frankie used emotions in quite an unpleasant way and instead of watching, observing and using their nous. Not good role models for women!
From that respect it would have been amazing if Minah had won because she really did play a strong game, didn't become emotional or bitchy or crying at the drop of a hat

Really? Alexander got all the way to the final after coming in late... He played it well.

Quite.

I wonder if the seer twist would have worked better if both the seer's identify, and the identity of their chosen revealer was kept secret from the rest of the group? The fact the rest of the group knew it was Frankie and Charlotte respectfully made it impossible for both of them, and it was very unfair.