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Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!

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TriceratopsRocks · 06/08/2024 22:08

Ahoy again mateys! Can you believe we are now aboard thread 4? Stick around for chat about this brilliant show, its cast, its music, fan edits, fan fiction and more than a little obsessing over our fabulous leads - pictures extremely welcome!

If you haven’t yet seen Our Flag Means Death, what are you waiting for? Go watch it (on BBC iPlayer), then come back and join us 😀

You may have heard that this is a comedy about pirates and think it's not for you. But it’s actually a show about self-discovery, healing and found-family with a love story at its heart. The joint leads are both damaged by abusive backgrounds and want what the other has. The show is about their healing and their respective journeys. It’s tender, romantic, funny, emotionally intelligent and utterly refreshing. It subverts genre expectations. There is comedy, absurdity and a good amount of heartbreak and despair - sometimes in the same scene! The acting is outstanding (Taika Waititi and Rhys Darby especially). But the writing, music, costumes, sets, the sheer attention to detail – for a show with only 18 half-hour episodes it is still keeping us talking, three full threads and many re-watches later.

If you think this might appeal, do watch it and come back and talk to us. It would be lovely if more were to join our crew. But be aware that it's a show that needs time. It’s structured like a theatre production, with a prologue and 3 acts. The 2nd lead arrives (briefly) in episode 3. Episode 4 is the start of Act 1, where the tone changes and the main story begins. You need to give it at least 4 episodes, and from there it just gets better and better. It still took me several more episodes to fully appreciate what I was watching, but by then I was hooked and had to immediately watch it all over again. And again. And again! If you like Good Omens, What We Do in the Shadows, Ghosts or even Bridgerton, this might well be the show for you.

(I’ve kept this spoiler free, but if you scroll down you will no doubt find many, so beware!)

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/5008593-our-flag-means-death-its-utterly-brilliant-and-i-am-obsessed?reply=135294204
Thread 2 : https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/5076581-our-flag-means-death-thread-2-still-utterly-brilliant-and-we-are-still-obsessed?reply=136060611
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/5101662-our-flag-means-death-thread-3-its-still-utterly-brilliant-we-are-still-obsessed?reply=137315706

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DJ47 · 28/09/2024 14:41

lizziesaurusx · 28/09/2024 14:13

I love that theory! He can't be toying with us, surely?! Three clear hints would just be cruel 🏴‍☠️🍊And what's up with Samba and the roaches?

Oh…. I’m so stupid! I kept wondering why Samba was posting pictures of bugs! Of course they’re roaches 😳

lizziesaurusx · 28/09/2024 14:46

DJ47 · 28/09/2024 14:41

Oh…. I’m so stupid! I kept wondering why Samba was posting pictures of bugs! Of course they’re roaches 😳

But what do they MEAN?!

I wouldn't have known either as I don't want to look too closely, but luckily plenty of twitter people are less squeamish.

DJ47 · 28/09/2024 14:47

What’s the twitterati saying??!!

lizziesaurusx · 28/09/2024 16:14

I haven't done a deep dive, but some people seem to be thinking:

  1. It must mean something.
  2. Three pieces of cardboard plus the photo with the car has, supposedly, three fingers sticking out of the grille thing which must be a reference to S3.

I think this all seems quite a stretch. Samba seems to post a fair bit about the show anyway and if this is a coded hint it's pretty obscure! Whereas the DJ posts seem pretty intentional, plus he can see how they're being interpreted and if there wasn't something to read into them, I don't think he would've posted three. Maybe something's going to happen with Netflix? It still seems like quite a jump to the S3 we're all desperately longing for though. We're still very much in the gravy basket!

MrsJellybee · 28/09/2024 18:35

The Twitterati have also pointed out that on David’s photo of he and Adam Stein, not one of the OFMD cast have liked or commented which is unprecedented! There’s like… a wall of silence. (I haven’t verified this, but I trust the level of obsession operating here).

BillStickersIsInnocent · 28/09/2024 18:56

Oh I’d love it to be true. The DJ and Adam Stein photo particularly encouraging, and DJ must know how it’ll be received.

lizziesaurusx · 28/09/2024 19:06

Ooooh excellent spot about the wall of silence! I enjoyed the tweets comparing the foliage/vase/shelving in the background of the DJ/Adam Stein photo to pictures of the Netflix HQ. And I've just thought - 'insane foliage' plus the plant from 1.1/1.9 - posting a photo with foliage has to be a sign, right?

MrsJellybee · 28/09/2024 19:45

What’s the significance of the Mackintosh Apple? So they were working? But why is Stein mentioning it? It’s a weird thing to say…

Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
MrsJellybee · 29/09/2024 13:11

Don’t you want us, Netflix? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤡🏴‍☠️

DJ47 · 30/09/2024 20:59

Just seen this 😁

Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
lizziesaurusx · 30/09/2024 21:48

DJ47 · 30/09/2024 20:59

Just seen this 😁

Interesting - I hadn't discovered the show this time last year (it almost feels like another life) so will be on the lookout for the BTS stuff I missed.

lizziesaurusx · 30/09/2024 21:50

MrsJellybee · 29/09/2024 13:11

Don’t you want us, Netflix? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤡🏴‍☠️

Edited

😂I can't believe this fandom! Or is this kind of thing pretty standard in the fandom world?

Also, the clowning thing - can someone explain? Is that an OFMD-renewal-specific thing?? It's all over Twitter and I have no idea what it means!

MrsJellybee · 01/10/2024 06:45

@lizziesaurusx I think it means we’re acting like clowns - giddy, silly, headless chickens, lost our minds. There is an old clip they use of some guy in a cardie suddenly putting a clown mask on. Not sure what that is. The ‘honk, honk’ is the clown nose, but has given way to a geese meme. Geese are all flocked together, running about the farmyard, making noises. I have no idea if it’s specific to our fandom or not, but I have never seen it before.

It’s all very apt.

(And yes, the video is normal-level obsession as far as this fandom goes)..

MrsJellybee · 01/10/2024 06:49

DJ47 · 30/09/2024 20:59

Just seen this 😁

Any excuse! I’ll try to begin a season two rewatch along with this. Considering I too was unaware last year of this show. But also wouldn’t have watched along at this point, as wasn’t it just the US release with UK not getting until Feb? so will be nice to pretend it’s last year and all is well.

AhBiscuits · 01/10/2024 08:02

Must try and stay calm, nothing confirmed, probably won't happen. Stay calm.
OMG SEASON 3!!!!

DJ47 · 01/10/2024 10:12

@MrsJellybee Yes it’s US streaming anniversary….. I spent this time last year watching people on YouTube watching it whilst commenting on what was happening 😂 By the time I watched 3 or 4 people per episode do this (as everyone edited differently) I reckon I’d seen about half of each episode - and yes I do shake Christmas presents too! I don’t know how some folk chose to wait for the beeb to pick it up - more self restraint than me 😁 I had to leave the uk fans Facebook group for a while as they didn’t want spoilers discussed

DJ47 · 01/10/2024 10:41

I’m guessing we’ve seen David’s latest posting on social media…. A mural of bottoms?! Perhaps in homage to Alex Sherman’s mooning performance in S2E8?!

DJ47 · 01/10/2024 10:57

Won’t let me edit the above for some reason…He KNOWS what he’s doing!

Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
lizziesaurusx · 01/10/2024 21:04

He definitely knows the reaction he's getting, and he's not telling everyone not to get excited, but that one does seem a bit more oblique - supposedly the music referenced is from Taxi, which also moved networks? If he's sending us all a message it's quite deeply coded though!

lizziesaurusx · 01/10/2024 21:06

MrsJellybee · 01/10/2024 06:45

@lizziesaurusx I think it means we’re acting like clowns - giddy, silly, headless chickens, lost our minds. There is an old clip they use of some guy in a cardie suddenly putting a clown mask on. Not sure what that is. The ‘honk, honk’ is the clown nose, but has given way to a geese meme. Geese are all flocked together, running about the farmyard, making noises. I have no idea if it’s specific to our fandom or not, but I have never seen it before.

It’s all very apt.

(And yes, the video is normal-level obsession as far as this fandom goes)..

Thank you! I was baffled by the geese too 🐓I've never seen the clowning or the geese stuff before, but then I've never been lurking on the edge of a fandom before either.

TriceratopsRocks · 01/10/2024 22:50

I'm watching all of this with a great deal of interest, and trying to stop myself becoming excited. In my head it's definitely a matter of when, rather than if it gets picked up, but I'm still pretending that it's not going to happen, and that I've accepted that. Just for self preservation purposes!! It's still sort of working...

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TriceratopsRocks · 02/10/2024 11:55

I’m going to try and join in the mass S2 rewatch, but I’m still tied up with family stuff so I’m not sure how much of it I’ll manage. In the meantime, I thought I’d better actually finish my own S2 rewatch, because it’s taken me ages! But yesterday I finally watched 2.8 again. 😀.

We’ve talked before about the pacing of the last two episodes and 2.8 is where some cuts felt particularly jarring. The first time I watched it I was a bit disappointed, despite all the truly wonderful scenes we do get, because of the overall disjointedness of the episode. Starting with 3.5 minutes of Fisherman Ed and Pop Pop didn’t help, despite us needing to see just how badly fisherman Ed worked out, especially with another side helping of father-figure trauma. Not to mention the fun of seeing Cohen Holloway beat up Taika again! But this is Ed running away, like Stede in 1.10, to find that he doesn’t belong.

Soon enough we are with Stede and Zheng under the bridge. Stede ‘my body takes over’ Bonnet has blocked 'who saved who' from his memory. His mildly paternalistic attempt to comfort Zheng isn’t appreciated but she forces herself into action when the English have him captured. I love the expression on her face before she resigns herself to helping him out.

We have Ed’s dissociative episode which we’ve discussed before. The sounds in his head, are they from his imagination or his past? In any case, this is where he decides to embrace Blackbeard - to use that aspect of himself to try and find/save Stede.

Back to Jackiez and Izzy’s speech, showing how much he’s changed. It was noticeable that the only flashback of the whole crew together had to be pulled from S1 - cost and time cuts strike again.

The lovely letter! It’s so beautiful. Their voices merge, Bach blends into Blackbeard’s theme and then into the Gnossienne. I adore this. Then the beach scene - oh wow!. Stede’s stuck sword, his spin, our boys reunite, kisses! “For love!”. It’s perfect. After the insecurity which caused him to panic and leave in 1.7, Ed finally has confidence in their love for each other and can declare this.

Afterwards, poor Stede feels left out of the Ed/Zheng mutual appreciation society (those two are so similar, after all, even down to their first mate forcing them into a ‘tough’ persona that isn’t really them) but Ed tries to be a supportive boyfriend (“Babe”). We still have distance between them though. They might be together for good now (DJ said he wouldn’t split them up again), but they still have work to do. They are both now confident in their love, but several times in this episode we see Stede’s personal insecurity as he looks for validation, and Ed still needs to work on reconciling his past and the different elements of himself. And they need to work out how to have an adult relationship.

Why oh why did they cut the boyfriends scene? Based on the BTS clips, is it because Taika couldn’t stop messing about? And the cut here feels jarring. I enjoyed the Roads to Moscow scene until I saw the full, finished version and realised what we’d missed. This section is why we badly need the Jenkins cut of S2. When If it’s picked up for S3, I really want a S2+ as well, to restore some of the cuts and sort out the pacing in this episode especially. I neeeeeed DJs 40 minute cut of 2.8.

Then we get Izzy’s deathbed confession. It’s so important to me that he fully admits his abuse of Ed. But when Izzy says that Ed’s surrounded by family and the crew love him, we haven’t really been shown this, this season. I mean, they do - it’s why it took so much for them to kill him - but all season what we’ve seen is the crew and Izzy becoming closer, not the crew and Ed, who has mainly been seen just with Stede. There was a bit of Ed/crew interaction in Calypso’s Birthday, but the main interaction before that was his managerial apology speech. Ed simply hasn’t had those positive crew relationships this season. So that line just doesn’t quite fit. Someone (not me) spotted another parallel. In 1.8, the original unicorn figurehead ‘dies’ (gets blasted by English cannon). In 2.8 the new unicorn dies. Clever foreshadowing there.

After the funeral we get the elbow touch. This is one of my favourite moments, because they’ve spent so much of this season apart and we’ve seen so little casual intimacy like this. I’ll be looking forward to a lot more of that when if we get S3.

Ed's side-eye at the wedding? Yay for the S3 Gentlebeard version!!

And finally they get to try innkeeping. In a broken shack, with ‘good bones’. Solid but needs work, like their relationship. Although I like to think that their relationship is quite a bit better than the state that shack appears to be in, complete with dead animal and a hole in the roof!

And that’s my rewatch done! For your viewing pleasure, here’s a fresh link to the full Roads to Moscow scene posted by Samba: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4JNdzkPZUB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

And an interview with DJ, where he talks about S3 and the future of the show, among other things. Just in case you need any more reasons to hope for more Stede, Ed and the crew. It feel apt in the current days of speculation :D
https://www.avclub.com/interview-david-jenkins-our-flag-means-death-season-3-1850953527

Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
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MrsJellybee · 02/10/2024 18:03

Thank you, @TriceratopsRocks That is such a comprehensive review of 2.8, and I agree with pretty much all if it. I wrote something on Tumblr (screenshots attached) about two weeks ago regarding how Stede brings a different strength to the beach fight. It helped me process the disconnect on the beach afterwards between when Zheng and Ed bond and Stede is outside. Stede doesn’t know his own power.

Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
Our Flag Means Death - Thread 4: Roll up, roll up! Come join us for more pirate obsession!
TriceratopsRocks · 02/10/2024 18:39

That's an awesome Tumblr post, @MrsJellybee . Stede is the glue that holds everything together. I have to confess I am barely ever on Tumblr atm. And that Stede/Ed/Zheng scene after the fight has always frustrated me because of there being so much space between our boys. I just keep thinking how they've only just found each other again, so why is Ed sitting there bonding with Zheng, when all I want is for him and Stede to just hold each other and never let go??!!

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MrsJellybee · 02/10/2024 20:09

@TriceratopsRocks someone commented that Stede’s the personality hire in the workplace. I thought, that’s it! His soft skills hold everything together. The only reason Ed is there to help Zheng in the first place is because of Stede. And Stede got Zheng moving. He is the glue, the linchpin. But none of them, including Stede, get that. So the conversation and praise is all ‘Did you see my flip etc.?’

It reminds me of the pilot when Stede is walking around the crew taking an interest in each flag, offering advice and praise. Recognising them as individuals with different strengths and ideas. And I need someone to offer that to Stede!

There’s been a huge debate on Tumblr recently regarding the use of the word ‘cringe’ in relation to Stede. Many people say they use it ‘affectionately’. I don’t like it. The only time I cringe at Stede is 207 because that isn’t Stede. Everything else deemed ‘cringeworthy’ about Stede is a superpower.

I so need season 3 for Stede’s awesomeness to be fully realised.

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