EastEnders: the SPOILERS thread!

[Southeastdweller]

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This storyline is such a mess that I am really not sure how to answer you!

The fact she 'doesn't need the money' because she is in a coma is neither here nor there - she isn't dead, she could recover (unlikely, but possible). We don't know their previous financial circumstances but the one thing Reiss has always been clear about is that the money is Debbie's, not shared.

You'd think she'd be getting CHC but she apparently isn't because Sonia told Bianca last week that Reiss is 'still paying for her care home' - how could he afford that for years on end?

Reiss says he has LPA - how? Debbie would have had to sign the LPA forms, and she's in a coma. Even if you are married, you still need LPA for your spouse if they are incapacitated and you need to act on their behalf.

We don't know if the writers have made mistakes, or if Reiss is lying through his teeth, but the way the storyline is going probably the latter.

@Viewer23 from what I remember, Reiss said he cannot have children naturally and Sonia suddenly decided she had to have a baby, which is why they went the IVF route. I don't know if we ever got further 'details'.

You also have to have witnesses sign the LPA forms. I think he’s lying about being the LPA, though.

Thanks @Shellingbynight

But surely it’s financial abuse? It seems strange to think that a person’s money automatically belongs to their spouse because they are married. If Debbie were not in a coma, I don’t think Reiss could go into her bank account without asking?

Thanks for this, I had forgotten! I remember now that Sonia was initially panicking when she found out she was pregnant but then later came round to the idea and decided she wanted to have a baby.

I have have had a joint account for years and I can move money around without dh's permission ( although he knows about it and I know if he moves any money too) it's mostly done on the banking app.
In this case , Reiss ' found ' this saving account of Debbie's and moved it without her permission ( obviously ; because she couldn't give it)
I assumed it was in her name only , which makes it harder for him to access, but he did somehow on his PC. So committed fraud
( he obviously knew the passcode)
I didn't get the impression it was a joint savings one , but might have been?? In which case it might not register with the bank.
Unless they don't know she is in a coma.

I thought it was Debbie’s account rather than a joint account? They seemed to make it clear that it was Debbie’s money. Which is why Reiss no longer has access to the account (hence his dire financial straits) and panicking.

They haven't outlined why Debbie is in a coma ( probably so they can re-write the history to suit ) but if Debbie was able to give her consent for Reisse to have LPA when she was still able to .....would that have fitted in with the scenario?

Will we find out that Reiss was the reason behind her being in hospital . ?

<Disclaimer> I am not a lawyer , I don't even watch Judge Rinder .

I think that the writers just assume that people won't think too deeply about it ! lol
( maybe they need to read our thread)

How about this scenario?

Reiss gets Debbie to sign the LPA when she is well and conscious. He then somehow causes her to have a stroke. He can then help himself to her money legally!

Wasn’t it said that she’d had a stroke while taking a bath?

I wonder if it was poor Debbie's leaving Reiss money !

Reiss’s said that Debbie had a stroke (I had forgotten the detail about the bath). She has been in a coma since then so no chance of LPA being done.

And he has always made a point that it is Debbie’s money, so it isn’t a joint account.

@Meredusoleil I think it would be really hard to persuade a 30 year old spouse to do an LPA though? It is so vanishingly unlikely it would be needed in the next 20 years. I think he may just be lying and doesn't have one.

Given the detail about the bath maybe he held her under the water, intending to kill her, but he made a hash of it (being Reiss, he would!). Possibly as you say @Mrsjayy he found out she was leaving him.

Surely Debbie has other relatives - parents, siblings - but they never get a mention. Lots of gaps in Reiss's story. We're just helping fill them in 😄

Ahhh maybe she was getting her ducks in a row ?

There's only so much Tuba Playing and Next Stop Todger Town a woman can take !

Has Sonia, or anyone else, seen concrete proof that Reiss is who is claims to be? Is he supposed to be Dot’s nephew? I always thought it odd be turned up at the funeral when Dot had obviously never mentioned him as no-one knew who he was. I remember Martin was very suspicious of him and he tends to have a good sense for wrong’uns😭

That’s a scary but good theory!

@Eastie77Returns that would be a repeat of the Rocky storyline, who arrived pretending to be Sonia's dad. She is very gullible! Interesting that it was Kathy, married to Rocky, who persuaded Sonia that the money stealing was okay (not that she needed much persuading!)

Yeah he's a wrong un I think Sonia should run .very fast away from him.

Not a spoiler or theory but …
Today’s scene between Jack and Howie with the Vic in the background - does Jack look almost superimposed?!!

Not seen it today , but a few people have said the same about some characters not actually being there or it's been strangely filmed.
I'll watch out for it today

Gullible indeed. Although the Rocky storyline was strange. Assuming Sonia is still in fairly regular contact with Carol, surely at some point she would have messaged her oh my dad has turned up and shared a picture which would have blown Rocky’s cover. And super cop uncle Jack was taken in as well. I suppose he had never met Sonia’s real dad but to just accept the word of a complete stranger🤷🏽‍♀️ They are a very trusting lot on Albert Square!

Kathy pretended to be dead for 20 years, has been married to two gangsters and helped cover up a murder a few months ago. Stealing money from a woman in a coma is child’s play as far as she’s concerned😂

I didn't see anything odd about the Howie / Jack met up , but the background of the shops etc looked new. Maybe it was that ? It did look a lot brighter than normal.
The fishing trip was cringy , especially the rendition of ' three lions' and all the ' must love your dad ' speech. Howie left Denzil behind for months.
Phil and Albie was sweet. I wonder if Sharon will spill all to Phil ? ..
Do detectives normally work from the pub ? (Callum looked like he was at work on his laptop !)

Callum and Jack hardly seem to go into work, they aren't exactly Walford's finest!

I thought the 'lay a trail for Callum to become suspicious' was very clunky. But thank goodness Karen has gone, hopefully never to return.

The Fathers Day stuff was really cringey. And such a bizarre idea to go on a fishing trip which most of them didn't actually want to go on. I've heard something about why Will is so miserable, but can't now remember what it is.

I would expect Phil to side with Sharon. She's being helpful about Albie so he has no reason not to be loyal to her now. But who knows what she will actually tell him!

I associate fishing trips with Uncle Bryn ( Gavin and Stacey) but apart from a cringy sing along and miserable teens , nothing much happened.
I love how ' face timing ' Ben in jail seemed almost a jolly affair !