Eurovision Malmö 3

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Let's get a result...

Oh honeybun you were the one asking would I feel safe walking in Israel or Palestine.

I demonstrated that Israeli women don’t feel safe from Israeli men, as a consequence of the Israeli far right government.

Too bad you can’t face facts.

Many people boycotted the vote because of Israel taking part

The vote is supposed to be based on whether you thought the song was the best, not to support a particular country or a religion.

That’s literally my answer.

You’ve alluded to Jewish conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence. Namely that they have power on the media or are somehow stealing with bot votes

Can I suggest reading up the Holocaust Memorial Trust’s very Seinfeld definitions of anti-semitism? They take a great deal from the propaganda used against Jews in the 10’s/20’s/30’s and how the modern day version theories used back then, prevail today.

It IS targeting Hamas, and has been successful in doing so - this is war, there is responsibility on both sides and civilians casualties are wrong but inevitable

So do you think the children being held hostage are pro-Netenyahu? Or were they just people going about their day?

I wasn't surprised at all that Switzerland - Nemo - won, I saw him in the semi-final and he was an instant favourite with me, stage presence, incredible vocal, good song, and that's not even including the wheel thing.

My other favourite was France, I'm glad he did well too.

Overall DD and I both thought the standard was high this year.

Stop being obtuse. What proof do you think I’m after when you post this:

Given the Israeli government spent MILLIONS on their Youtube propaganda trying to justify their genocide, I don’t think it’s unthinkable they would spend money on televotes.

The Youtube propaganda is covered by media outlets.

This isn’t an equal war, Israel has the military and financial strength, plus US backing.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4919757-to-be-put-off-by-the-israeli-ads-on-youtube

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/pro-israel-youtube-ads-cartoons/?amp

Public shows of affection in both countries are considered unacceptable for both religions

You can wear what you want in both countries depending on where you are. In religious settings you need to cover up, for example. On the beach you can dress how you like.

No one however can walk down the streets of Gaza anymore though, there’s nothing left!

FFS, take your bunfight to AIBU

Whoppee doo for you. I won’t report your posts because I think it’s better for people to see posters for who they are. Not all of us are into censorship because “Waaaah she doesn’t share my opinion”

You said ‘ just depressing’ in response to someone taking about bits, and you’re telling us that’s a reaction to your views on her song?

not buying it

Yes, I’m asking which bit, the Youtube propaganda or the televotes?

the Jewish communities all over the continent all loyally voting, politically.

I wish those pesky Jews would just do as they’re told instead of ruining it for other people with their independent views.

I wouldn’t call saying your NB (as much as I think personally it’s nonsense) as ‘highly politicised’.

And the Ireland song wasn’t either.

Why on earth did it go on for weeks?!

Yeah Americans do sometimes do things too much in ernest!

As for languages, many languages are spoken in America and allowance for singing in the language of your birth should have been encouraged. But I can see how it would perhaps not go down so well....

I seem to have missed it entirely. Heard nothing about it happening! Thanks for the details.

Raising awareness to give support is not the same as ‘bot voting’

Wether you like it or not, anti-semitism has risen by over 250% worldwide since October 7th (500% on some places) and there are many passionate people working to fight against this - showing support for Jewish acts/people/causes is part of this.
if Netenyahu was on the billboard I’d agree with you but this is about a woman with no affiliation to him and it’s deeply j fair to punish a 20yo singer because you don’t take their side in a war

I’d be more convinced if they got a better public vote - I didn’t like Loreen last year (I supported the fella in yellow spandex shorts can’t for the life of me remember who he was representing) but I can’t argue the right person won because I’m sure she got a landslide public vote

Which posters support genocide? Or have even said they support Israel’s actions??

I really can’t be doing with this dramatic frothy semantics intended to twist what people say.

Why shouldn’t a 20yo woman who probably never harmed anyone not take part in a singing competition?

Loreen did not get a landslide public vote, Finland got 133 more points from the public vote than Sweden last year. The jury vote tipped it for Loreen.

They can’t vote if they’re in Israel though. Only about 30,000 Israelis live in Europe., and considering about 10 million people vote in Eurovision I don’t think it’s all just Israeli people ‘being asked’

Honestly the knows people twist themsleves in because they’re sore loser by proxy, is embarrassing. My kids on sports day don’t churn out this many excuses

For the same reason that Russia was banned.
If the Eurovision is not going to be political then no country should be banned. They really can’t just pick and chose.

I did not mention bot voting in my post. I have no idea if anyone in any country is bot voting. I was making an observation that having adverts may have raised awareness of the contest and the Israeli contestant amongst people who aren't usually aware of Eurovision/inclined to vote IE: specifically people not bots - there are YouTube reaction videos dedicated to Americans finding out that Eurovision is a real thing. And I was wondering whether advertising towards those people from all countries might spread in future years. The fact "rest of world" is a "country" with public voting means there may be a benefit to raising profile outside the Eurovision countries.

Again, I’d love to see evidence of paid propaganda.

Support for a singing act is not propaganda BTW

Propoganda is swallowing baseless and unfounded conspiracy theories.

Israel is apparently far right and yet a gay person could live there peacefully but probably wouldn’t be advised to wander over to Gaza 🤔

The whatabboutery is getting desperate now.

Do you think Palestinian women are never raped by Palestinian men?

Even in the U.K. 1 in 10 women are raped - it isn’t the same man doing it.

But I wonder if YOU have read the article you posted? It is an opinion piece with no stats so we can’t garner the scale of it from this. Unlike in Palestine, marital rape in Israel is criminalised. It was actually criminalised in Israel 13 years before it was criminalised in the U.K.

It may not suit your agenda to see Palestinians as all kind fluffy people, but tough shit. Facts don’t lie

I demonstrated that Israeli women don’t feel safe from Israeli men, as a consequence of the Israeli far right government.

You haven’t demonstrated this AT ALL

Googling “Israeli women raped” and copying and pasting the first article that pops up is not a good idea.

You also haven’t answered the question if you feel safe walking through Palestine. What if you were a gay person? Or a Jew?