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pootlin · 12/05/2024 00:30

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 00:28

I would agree with you if I hadn't seen the 40pc stat from Italy. My argument here is statistical, not ideological.

However, I will add that Ireland gave Israel 10 points in the public vote. If you know anything about Ireland you'll know it was unlikely that any significant portion of the population was giving Israel sympathy votes.

It's only Eurovision, it's not worth getting worked up over, but the public vote is sketchy.

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Yep, especially given how much of a hard-on Netanyahu has for Eurovision, and the millions spent on Youtube propaganda ads.

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:31

Coshei · 12/05/2024 00:02

Please explain how you came to this conclusion. I am genuinely curious about it.

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Because apparently it’s depressing that the only Jewish state in the contest did well. Presumably the 20yo just wants to be a pop star and is not affiliated with Netenyahu but it’s ‘depressing’ she did well.

I have family and friends living in Israel. I find it very narrow minded that people assume Israeli citizens are supportive of Netenyahu. I don’t know one who isn’t horrified by him on some level - the same way I am ashamed of our Government. But I wouldn’t like to be punished on a professional level for the Tory’s actions. So I can’t understand why regular Israelis are getting bullied for living in Israel.

To the anti-Israel people on this thread - have you ever even spoken to anyone from Israel?

pootlin · 12/05/2024 00:31

DysonSphere · 12/05/2024 00:30

I thought all the civilians were Hamas. Perhaps that's how?

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No, all Palestinians aren’t Hamas.

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:32

Coshei · 12/05/2024 00:04

I would still like to know how my
post was antisemetic. Please elaborate unless you are just trolling (which I suspect you are)

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Perhaps because you buy into the Jewish conspiracy theories that they control the media or are somehow thieves?

Floortile · 12/05/2024 00:32

CarnDûm · 12/05/2024 00:29

There was a decade where they tried televotes only with back up juries, though? That's the eurovision era i am referring to

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Fair enough. I am probably a lot older than you!

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 12/05/2024 00:32

JemimaTab · 12/05/2024 00:16

Croatia were my favourites - the Swiss song was OK for me, but I didn’t get why it ran away with the jury vote to such a degree. It was nice to see France do so well, I wasn’t expecting that.
The 0 public vote for the UK is pretty humiliating. But I don’t think it’s necessarily that everyone hated Olly’s act, just that they preferred other acts that made more of an impression. It was pretty underwhelming - the song was very generic, he didn’t sing it well, and the staging just looked a bit grotty and didn’t come across as amazing at all (despite Graham / Rylan insisting that it was).

Or maybe it was political.
Brexit
Our support for Israel.

DysonSphere · 12/05/2024 00:33

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:31

Because apparently it’s depressing that the only Jewish state in the contest did well. Presumably the 20yo just wants to be a pop star and is not affiliated with Netenyahu but it’s ‘depressing’ she did well.

I have family and friends living in Israel. I find it very narrow minded that people assume Israeli citizens are supportive of Netenyahu. I don’t know one who isn’t horrified by him on some level - the same way I am ashamed of our Government. But I wouldn’t like to be punished on a professional level for the Tory’s actions. So I can’t understand why regular Israelis are getting bullied for living in Israel.

To the anti-Israel people on this thread - have you ever even spoken to anyone from Israel?

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Anti-Israel?
Or Anti Israel's current actions?

Netanyahu might not be liked. But as far as I've read his current actions have approval by the majority of the population.

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:34

wintersgold · 12/05/2024 00:05

Just doesn't feel safe to host it in Israel while the country's at war.

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It didn’t stop Ukraine winning.

I understand that Tel Aviv right now is as asafe as a city can be in war but certainly not “host a global competition” safe. I suspect had they won arrangements would have been made the host elsewhere.

DysonSphere · 12/05/2024 00:34

pootlin · 12/05/2024 00:31

No, all Palestinians aren’t Hamas.

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I was being sarcastic.

SloaneStreetVandal · 12/05/2024 00:34

JemimaTab · 12/05/2024 00:27

Most of the success with Years and Years was when they still had the founder members / main songwriters. Once they left and it became an Olly solo vehicle, the success dwindled somewhat.
But I agree that Olly may have lost his way a bit. Just after Sam came second a couple of years ago, Olly was all over the papers saying it was unfair that he (Olly) hadn’t been given a chance to do Eurovision - as if he assumed he’d have done a better job than Sam. Which looks a bit rich now. He seems to have had a real thing about Eurovision for some reason, and it’s obviously not paid off for him.
Perhaps he should concentrate on the acting for a bit.

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I think so, he was brilliant in It's a Sin (think he got BAFTA nominated?!). He's maybe not listening to advice - he'll struggle to be taken seriously now.

pootlin · 12/05/2024 00:35

DysonSphere · 12/05/2024 00:34

I was being sarcastic.

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Sorry, hard to tell here sometimes.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 12/05/2024 00:35

What's daft is that a song contest public vote was swung by two countries currently at war and now we're arguing about said wars and not how rubbish the event was this year.

I've been a fan for decades and this one was one of the least exciting I can remember. I was lucky enough to go to Liverpool last year and so many of the songs still stick in my memory. Not sure any of these will.

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:35

blacksocks33 · 12/05/2024 00:07

Oh I feel for Olly. Don't get me wrong I really didn't like his song, performance or the dancing (so basically I didn't like any of it!!), but I feel like he's not going to take that well. I remember when he announced he was doing it in tv last year he was so giddy, and that result must've been TOUGH! Espcially the boos! Where did they come from?! He had a lot of cheers after his performance!

Interesting how uk, Spain and Finland performances were very sexual or had nudity in some form and none did well.

I'm glad Switzerland won, preferred them to Croatia and loved that it ment the world to them! 😊

We’re the boos not for the fact he got 0 points?
He really didn’t deserve 0 bless him

Lonelycrab · 12/05/2024 00:35

SloaneStreetVandal · 12/05/2024 00:30

I only watched the voting, so only saw a snippet of each song, but all the songs were shit (as they always are, every year). Some of them perhaps slightly less shit than the others.

Eurovision is bonkers, it's not a song contest, it's a hyped up spectacle, a big pantomime. And it gets more ridiculous every year - I mean that Irish witch act, fs it was horrible.

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It’s absolutely this^

dont anyone think it’s actually about music for gawds sake. You guys are fooling yourself if you think so.

It’s about camp, spectacle with a heavy side dose of politicisation.

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:36

SocksAndTheCity · 12/05/2024 00:07

I meant the comments about and directed at her generally, not the content of that particular post.

You know, the death threats and that sort of thing; the stuff that meant she was forced to stay in her hotel room all the time for her own safety (and likely that of others)? It's beyond the pale that any participant should be treated like this.

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Well apparently at 20 she’s old enough to tolerate it

Sparklybutold · 12/05/2024 00:36

Why were Ireland and Switzerland permitted to perform highly politically issues?

Youllnevergetabetterbitofbutteronyourknife · 12/05/2024 00:37

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:35

We’re the boos not for the fact he got 0 points?
He really didn’t deserve 0 bless him

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Yes. I'm sure the boos were from the people in the auditorium at the announcement of 0 points.

JaneJeffer · 12/05/2024 00:37

Sparklybutold · 12/05/2024 00:36

Why were Ireland and Switzerland permitted to perform highly politically issues?

Because we're neutral
(WTF you on about?)

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:38

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 12/05/2024 00:12

@Coshei i reported it too as hate speech.
But MNHQ rarely take these sort of posts down I’m afraid. We’ll wait and see.

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Hate speech against who?

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 12/05/2024 00:38

Even when the UK last won Eurovision, it was a performance from an American on our behalf, and pre the entry of the individual countries that made up the dissolved Eastern European blocks. We are the baddy of Europe in the eyes of most Europeans. We don't have any particular allegiances the way the former Eastern bloc countries do. Sam Ryder was a blip, based on our response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis, imo, and despite him being a genuinely lovely, charismatic and talented bloke, I don't think he would have won or come second but for the Ukraine crisis.

GordonBlue · 12/05/2024 00:38

I'm not sure what happened with Olly - i heard him interviewed by Graham and everything he said, Graham was undermining him - eg when he was talking about having to leave his pets to do the competition Graham said something like "well, you're going to be away for ages, did you not realise?" - making out that Olly wasn't a real Eurovision person or some such thing, I dunno, it was bitchy, is how it came across. I don't think he's had the full backing of the BBC stalwarts.

Maybe that made him nervous. Also when he performed there was something wrong with the sound mix. I don't know what it was but it wasn't right. I don't know what he could hear but if he heard what he did it would have definitely put him off. He's certainly performed it perfectly well before when he's sung live, on numerous occasions, so it's not like he can't do it.

Hopefully if he keeps his head down for a bit it will all blow over, but it's a shame.

Coshei · 12/05/2024 00:38

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:32

Perhaps because you buy into the Jewish conspiracy theories that they control the media or are somehow thieves?

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That’s not an answer to my question. I have repeatedly asked you how my post was antisemetic , since this is what you are accusing me of. I am
still waiting for an answer.

PossumintheHouse · 12/05/2024 00:39

Sparklybutold · 12/05/2024 00:36

Why were Ireland and Switzerland permitted to perform highly politically issues?

What highly political issues?

maudelovesharold · 12/05/2024 00:39

YaMuvva · 12/05/2024 00:24

I said at the time that Tory voters are quiet about it.

I think it’s the same with pro-Israel supporters. Because who can be arsed with the hassle of people (like on here) screaming about genocide like a terrorist organisation hasn’t waged war on them

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Yeah, trouble is, Israel isn’t fighting back against the terrorists, is it? It’s slaughtering civilians. Unless you think all Palestinians are terrorists?

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 00:39

Sparklybutold · 12/05/2024 00:36

Why were Ireland and Switzerland permitted to perform highly politically issues?

I don't think the LGBT community is viewed as highly political at Eurovision.