The Underdog: Josh Must Win Thread 1! (Monday 25th March 9pm E4)

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I quite like Grimmy on Gogglebox, don't really know the others that well.
But it might be an interesting watch.
Alternatively, I end up not rooting for the underdog and rename the show Josh Must Die.

Absolutely. Very diplomatic too.

Is it wrong that I'd like Jeanette to win? 😊

No, she's come across so much better than in the initial VT.

So, they're down to
Jeanette
Josh
Louie
Maddy
Sofia

They can only get one more out then the remaining four vote to win or the Most/Least and any negative votes negate positives?
That's an interesting conundrum.
From the four remaining you need to remove who actually sees Josh as the biggest competition/actually able to win the thing.
Does Louie actually believe that?

Would they vote with their loyalties in the final round or on the chances of probabilities? (So, if they kept in Sofia who has been Least Popular, would they all in the final vote, vote her Most Popular (as a tactic) and she wins by default iyswim).

They need to analyse the voting.
If they do take out Sofia, only Maddy has been voted Least Favourite before.

Jeanette - would she vote Louie?
Josh - would he vote Jeanette?
Louie - would he vote Maddy? (tactical)
Maddy - would she vote Josh?

What happens if it's a four-way tie?

Last night i found Josh's Facebook page, which goes back to 2019.
The thing that makes me suspicious is that there are only 60 something friends, which seems unlikely if thats his actual job - and they do keep saying he's a professional wrestler.
https://www.facebook.com/josh.maxmoore

Went on that page and he has himself as a friend. This one goes back to 2014.
https://www.facebook.com/joshie.foulds

Watched the first two but I just can't get into it to care to watch all the episodes hope there's a twist at the end

Magic, thanks! Confused at his different names, but at least this shows hes a legit wrestler.
Hm, if there's no big reveal, it'd be a bit of a damp squib 🤔

It says he's given up the wrestling now.
Crikey, does he want to pursue a career in TV?

So Josh Max Moore
= Josh Nomax
= Josh Foulds

Oh that's interesting! Very good find! Now I'm even more suspicious. Not long to go and I guess all will be revealed.

Ha! I haven't looked at the pages myself but the only innocent thing I can think of is that one is his 'pro page' and the other just Josh? When I had a dog walking page years ago I was friends with myself.. 🐕🏃

He definitely was a wrestler but he's retired now. I read his insta. Many of the cast are following him. Myles made a cynical comment about it not working out being nice but he thought he himself was the nice guy. Deluded.
A couple have wished him luck on the start of his next stage of his life: if that's a career change I'd be amazed if he thinks this is his break into actual TV.
He also said there was rumour of a second series with a confused emoji.
I'm not sure how they can do it again, unless it is a female underdog e.g. Beth Must Win and they come up with the same concept but different title for the pretend show?

NAh, I'm not having it.

I've watched both of those wrestling vids and they are more choreographed than the cheesiest fixed wrestling of the original WWF 90s heyday. Almost like they've been plonked there as a red herring.

Total snort down my nose at Myles being the nice guy. The delusion is strong.

I wouldn't watch another series of this. I'm only still here through my often misguided sense of completionism. (is that even a word?)

In fact I'm hoping for some big 'gotcha' reveal to have made it worth it 😆

Maddy's favourite - Sofia Least favourite -Louie ?
Josh's favourites - Jeanette/Louie
Sofia - thinks Josh/Lou haven't spoken to her as much or Jeanette Most favourite Maddy Least favourite - Louie?
(Maddy thinks the same 3 versus 2)

Maddy: Sofia Louie
Sofia: Maddy Louie
Louie: Sofia Josh (tactical)
Jeanette: Louie Sofia
Josh: Jeanette Louie (tactical)

Louie LF
Sofia MF Puts up Josh
Panel have to get rid of Louie

Maddy votes Josh to win (tactical)
Sofia votes Maddy to win (tactical)
Jeanette votes Josh to win (legit)
Josh votes Jeanette to win (legit)

Josh wins - everyone wins

Maddy Sofia Louie - called it
Sofia Maddy Louie - called it
They had an allyship
Josh Louie (boo! covering the diva strop?) Maddy - didn't call either
Louie Josh (oh! again, covering the diva strop?) Maddy - didn't call either
Jeanette Josh (wow! has tried to math it bless) Maddy - didn't call either

Josh most favourite not good for tomorrow tbh
Maddy's Least Favourite
Josh will pick Sofia presumably

So, will they stab each other in the back tomorrow and what happens if there's a draw or no clear winner?

Not sure how Josh can win now
They all think Sofia is a viewer favourite
They all think Josh is current favourite
Do they have to vote for most and least tomorrow then to win/or just to win?

I fancy Jeanette's chances atm

I'm still thinking Jeanette too.

The panel are really going to have to pull off some serious machinations tomorrow to make things go their way. There must be a last challenge to do and I think rather than trying to make Josh the 'hero' they will somehow have to sow discord among the others?

I'm too tired to think about it further but I'm glad that this time tomorrow it will be over.

I'm a completist too. We can make it to the end!

Of course Josh will win. What if he'd been eliminated early on? End of show?

I'm fully expecting a 'reveal' at the end [So Josh has won. BUT WAIT!], but they should have timed it to end on April 1st.

But he couldn't be eliminated early on, as the panel decided on who was evicted until now.

But I totally agree re the finale. If there isn't a twist I'll be gutted 🤣

Ah yes I forgot that; thanks for reminding me. But the rest stands.

Thinking Josh is some super whizz kid [certainly comes across as competent and self-confident] who's heading for a career on the telly

How does the final vote work, tho? Can we rely on them all to genuinely vote for their favourite, or vote tactically if they think it'd affect the final outcome?

It will depend on whether they want to be seen as "genuine" by the public/brand is loyalty (as presumably they think the show will have a proper audience following like BB or Love Island instead of...us).
Or whether they want to be seen as tactical/clever and want the 10K.
It also comes down to:
The three against one alliance They might therefore vote Sofia tactically (thinking her as the Least Favourite) and she wins by default
Sofia's vote As the one with no natural allegiance, she may well go Jeanette for the sisterhood and vote swings in Jeanette's favour
Josh was most recent favourite This gives Louie and Jeanette motive to vote differently to give themselves a chance

I saw a chance for Josh to win had Louie been voted out last night but I'm struggling to see a win for him now unless in the "journey" VT they go heavy on emotional manipulation.
There are seven scenarios where Josh wins...

Jeanette votes Josh
Josh votes ANO
Louie votes Josh
Sofia votes Josh

Jeanette votes Josh
Josh votes Louie
Louie votes Josh
Sofia votes Jeanette

Jeanette votes Josh
Josh votes Sofia
Louie votes Jeanette
Sofia votes Josh

Jeanette votes Sofia
Josh votes Jeanette
Louie votes Josh
Sofia votes Josh

Jeanette votes Josh
Josh votes Jeanette
Louie votes Josh
Sofia votes Louie

Jeanette votes Josh
Josh votes Jeanette
Louie votes Sofia
Sofia votes Josh

Jeanette votes Sofia
Josh votes Louie
Louie votes Josh
Sofia votes Josh

I hated probability at school but does this mean statistically that Josh ought to give Jeanette his vote?