The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

I liked garry myself

You must be a better person then.

You only have to look at the political news coming out of the US at the moment to know how true that is!

Some people will continue to believe what they are told by an arch manipulator, no matter what evidence there is to the contrary. Mainly, I suspect, because they can't admit to themselves that have been so stupid. Nobody likes admitting that they've been hoodwinked, so they go on believing.

I think the series shines a light on misogyny and female socialisation, but by holding a mirror up to what exists in society as a whole. The traitors didn't cause it.

It's also interesting to look at class. Despite her disabilities, I get the impression that Mollies upbringing was more comfortable than Harry's, but although she proved herself capable she isn't street smart or independent. Yet. Once she learns to trust herself and not depend on men, she will be a force to be reckoned with.

Better than who, or what?

We're all just people with different opinions.

@H34th agree. Mollie really did have it handed to her on a plate, she should have realised it made far more sense to vote Harry off but hey ho, it made for good tv

Those saying that the people who played the game best are more likely to be liars and deceitful outside the game - well, I'd love to know what evidence that's based on! It's perfectly possible to play a role, just as you might in other murder mystery style games- it doesn't mean you're dishonest when you're not playing.

If anything, I felt Mollie swearing and storming out at the end was showing her true colours. She's brought that situation entirely on herself yet seemed really angry. It's a game!! It would be interesting to know how Harry would have reacted had it gone the other way and Jaz and mollie had won. I hope he'd have been a little more gracious in defeat, felt proud of himself having got to the final and admired Mollie for how powers of detection.

how= her*

I can only assume Mollie didn't watch season 1

If she had, surely she'd have seen that her and Harry were in the same situation as Wilf and Hannah, and she would have realised.

To those who think Harry is a deceitful liar, then surely Jaz is too as he had suspicions about Harry from the start but buddied up to him and got Harry to trust him?

People are talking about what a lovely guy Andrew was but he totally barefaced lied repeatedly and convincingly about the whole "elusive" thing.

Andrew was a MUCH better liar than Harry!

"Dear Charlot,
You are invited to become a traitor and join us in plotting our nefarious deeds.
Yours,
The Traitors" 😁

Once she learns to trust herself and not depend on men, she will be a force to be reckoned with.

@Citrusandginger I don't think Mollie was 'depending on men' It was about her trusting someone she'd become close with her. That all the others bar one or two trusted.

To be fair, none of the others apart from Jaz who sussed Harry, were at the final round table. I would hope that if it had been one of the other Faithfuls, they'd have made the right choice based on logical evidence, despite Harry having been convincing throughout the game to that point

People are talking about what a lovely guy Andrew was but he totally barefaced lied repeatedly and convincingly about the whole "elusive" thing.

And Andrew said towards the end that he wouldn't feel bad about winning all the money whereas Harry obviously did but set those feeling aside. Neither are wrong or 'bad' though - they signed up for the game and played the roles given to them to the best of their abilities.

Maybe but as has been said a million times, Mollie didn’t think Jaz was a traitor.

It was a very high-pressured situation so it’s hard to know how the others would have acted.

They all would have found it very hard to cut someone they’d previously trusted out of the chance of winning.

The one thing I'd still like to know is why Paul told Jaz that Harry passed on Jaz's 'if I'm gone tomorrow it's Paul' comment. Why let on that he and Harry were in cahoots? Charlotte had already told him, so he could have said 'someone' or 'people'. Was it a total error? Was he trying to intimidate Jaz by implying that the big players had his back. Or was he trying to sew seeds about Harry but not realising that it also implicated him?

Yes - that was a very awkward pause in the proceedings!

It's down to which characters are left though - Diane standing opposite Harry would have said "oh you wee shit!" and laughed her head off 😁

But arranging something more celebratory definitely needs to be thought about for the next series if it ends up as a one-to-one again.

Writer, I didn't mean in the end scenes with Harry. I meant in earlier episodes. Mollie is evidently quite resilient to overcome her challenges, but she also comes across as someone used to being looked after. She doesn't yet treat men as her equals.

I think he just needed an excuse to talk to Jaz about it so he needed to explain how he knew. He probably thought it didn't look suspicious since people are always discussing who they think the Traitors are.

I wonder if Jaz would have had any suspicions about Harry had it not been for the Paul thing?

IIRC apart from Jaz the only person who seemed to have any suspicions was Jonny - and didn’t Evie mention Mollie as a more likely traitor than Harry

Ah ok this makes more sense. I had thought you specifically meant the end scenes with Harry.

I‘m still not sure I agree though. I can see why you think Mollie comes across as someone used to being looked after, but to be fair with her history of ill health, this is probably true in a literal sense.

She’s also very determined and motivated and independent.

I agree completely 👏👏

I agree re the ending it is an anti climax, maybe the other contestants could watch the final banishments.

I also think there should be some traitorous behaviour in the missions such as any money lost goes in the traitors pot so it benefits if money is lost

Or £5000 extra in the pot every time they banish a traitor; if they banish a faithful then each traitor gets £1000 just to keep

As well as being painfully unfair by pretty much guaranteeing every Traitor wins something significant just by being there, this would ruin the drama of high stakes. It's all or nothing at the end, however hard you worked on tasks, and that's a huge part of the drama.