The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

Oh and I wouldn’t report @MothersofGorgons

Not a big deal for me at all because I’ve watched those other seasons. I’m thinking of others.

@NonPlayerCharacter correct, they can't be murdered if they accept, but if they decline it gives them a chance to tell everyone that the Traitors attempted to recruit them. They have an opportunity to do this because it's going to be at least one day before they get murdered as the Traitors have had to forego a murder in order to try to recruit. If the group are working well together and alert to suspicions and clues, this could be quite risky for the Traitors.

Risky for them, too. If I were already on the verge of banishment, I don't know if I'd tell the group they'd tried to recruit me.

Harry was Wonder Boy, as Evie called him. Played brilliantly.

I don’t think it would work as well if you don’t know who the Traitors are. It’s brilliant seeing how they lie, or crumble, in their interactions.

See that's where it's interesting because people have different opinions on it! I would absolutely tell everyone if I'd declined a recruitment offer! It would be an excellent opportunity to observe really closely how people respond, and could give insights into who the traitors are. It gives a better opportunity (imo) for the person who's declined to sow seeds amongst the group.

If you refuse to join the Traitors and then go around telling others they tried to recruit you, this may draw suspicion on you. People seem to go off very little actual evidence anyway, building a “case” out of nothing.

As an aside - why is Telly not showing in my Active conversations? Have I hidden the topic by mistake? I was scrolling and scrolling, and couldn’t believe it nobody’s discussing it.

It could backfire!

I think Mollies behaviour was in large part the result of clever editing by those who knew the end result. Everyone (bar Jaz !) was utterly blindsided when they saw Harry was a traitor. If you see the Uncloaked moments when the traitor was revealed to those who had exited, they were all staggered.

So it wasn’t just Mollie. Yes she was close to Harry but I bet. Most other faithfuls, in that room in that moment would have struggled to vote Harry. This is what people are losing sight of.

mollie is a strong young woman.she did really well in the challenges.
she did annoy me with the crying when she wanted the shield. (when they were shooting names) but other than that she came across strong.

So kindness is not an admirable quality? Nor faithfulness? Trust? But deception and manipulation are traits to be admired? I mean not to me. It might be necessary to win the game but in general I don't think Dark Triad traits are to be admired.

No one is saying kindness isn't an admirable quality! Some of these comments are quite bizarre.

This is a game. A tv game which people sign up to knowing that the point of the game is deception. Participants are playing a role which they have freely chosen to do!

It's not a reflection of people's qualities outside of the game. For all we know, those who are best at the game may be the kindest, most honest people. Others who are crap at the game might be right buggers in real life!

I know it’s a game and everyone entered with their eyes open.

my gut feeling though is that Mollie thought it was a real connection, and Harry exploited that, all the while knowing it wasn’t real from
his side. So yes Mollie was naive and hopefully the dust has all settled there and she has moved on, but watching it, to me, it did make me feel like she was being used a bit.

Listening to her at the dinner party and how she has talked generally about raising awareness and all her other goals, I hope she achieves them and I think she will despite not winning.

Because they know they are canon fodder which also tells them they're likely to be murdered. At least as a traitor they can use the inside information to try to turn the tables which Andrew did successfully

In the end Harry deserved to win. He played the game well - having been under estimated as the youngest both by all the faithfuls and Paul. He came into his own and built his confidence and then played a blinder. Whilst he was a bit of an underdog to the preening smuggery of Paul we all liked him. As he became more accomplished and confident he was less appealing - but he played a blinder. It is very British to live the underdog and dislike the winner.

Unfortunately neither Evie or Mollie played with analytical prowess. They got into the final as unthreatening passengers. Evie focussed more on the fear that they were going to accuse her and defending herself but she didn't have the nouse when accused to re-focus the attentions on someone else. Other people who'd been accused in that way diverted attention by pointing to other potential traitors - she didn't (at least in the edit).

Jas played better. He did spot the traitors - he was being analytical and questioning. But as I predicted on Thursday he didn't build the alliances and hadn't floated his suspicions early enough to get enough traction for his suspicions on Harry. I agree there might have been unconscious racism going on - but he also didn't have the alliances and had survived by not getting too much heat on him as evidenced by Harry's surprise when he did speak up in the final.

Unfortunately only Jasmine really explored the idea that a traitor might win a shield to protect themselves from suspicion. And the faithfuls didn't really question that there might be more than one traitor in the final.

Sadly Mollie forgot she was playing a game where lying is the main purpose. As have those who are now gunning for Harry. It's probably understandable that in a game that makes you feel so vulnerable you want to find some certainty and protection and belief that you have true friends and allies. But in the end she was suckered and you could see she felt stupid in Uncovered. Whilst lots of people will sympathise with her she will always be aware that she lost because of her naivety and blind faith.

It was unfortunate for Harry that his final act had to be such a public betrayal of her. But it was great TV and the production team couldn't have been happier. Claudia played a blinder as ever. But let's also not forget that these shows are heavily edited and we don't have the whole picture. I wish them all well.

I think there are two types of people. People who can compartmentalise and act one way in one place and a completely other way in another. Or with one group.
These people are probably really good in the army for example.
And others who are who they are, all the time with all people.
And I don't think either group can understand the other.
I had to lie and manipulate to get myself safely out of a very difficult marriage. In that situation I had absolutely no problem doing it.
I see no reason to believe that Harry is a lying manipulator in his real life, no reason at all.
He has the capability, but so do I.

I don’t know why Harry is getting such negativity, it’s a game show called the Traitors, everyone knew what they were signing up for. He played the game perfectly and won the money. Molly felt they had a real connection and trusted him and I think Harry genuinely liked her too, but he didn’t lose sight of why he was in there. Why should he have lost the chance to win because someone he had known for a couple of weeks trusted him when the very premise of the game is to not really trust anyone?

Jaz played a great game too and he said he had really wanted to be a traitor and if he had been he might have won, would people be so fed up if he had? Loads of faithfuls were shocked Harry was a traitor, not just Mollie so he convinced most of them. It was absolutely great TV, and I think Harry absolutely deserved to win.

I would have thought anyone who doubts their ability to lie and manipulate wouldn't even dream of trying to enter the this TV show, never mind go through the process to being selected! I don't think I'd be great at it - so I wouldn't enter! Neither am I interested in all the social media and publicity that goes along with it. I'd quite like the chance of 100k but not enough to take the rough with the smooth.

Everyone who chose to enter, knew the rules. It's incredibly patronising to describe Mollie as somehow unable to comprehend this. If she genuinely believed she had some special bond with Harry and that it was impossible he was playing the game and lying then that's on her. No one else's responsibility

I was replying to a specific post. I stand by every word in context.

I disagree though, I think it is probable that those who are very manipulative are so in many areas of their life.

I agree it is a game and they knew the nature of it - I also feel sorry for Mollie. I think it’s possible to think both things. Like I say, I’m sure she will get out of the experience what she wanted to get out of it and I hope she doesn’t let her mistake get to her.

It was great tv.

But you would have the letter as evidence, presumably. Unless they're not allowed to keep it.

@Flamme ah, maybe if they can keep the letter. I’d try and work out the handwriting, if there’re any clues in that.

Mollie worked so hard to not let her disability define her and now some people are blaming her loss on her disability (more likely to make her believe Harry when basically everyone believed Harry).

If it had been Evie had got through and Jaz banished, and it was an Evie, Mollie, Harry final, then they'd have all voted to end the game and Harry would still have won. It wouldn't have been as good a finale, but at least then people would have been talking about the win as Harry playing a great game rather than saying he took advantage of Mollie's disability.

Ooh, that's a good point.

But if they are allowed to keep it, that proves they are a Faithful and then murder is certain.

It's a printed letter, isn't it? Even if one of the traitors writes in a name, when would they get the chance to see each other's writing?

Mind you, if one of the bad spellers wrote the name you might work something out from that ...