The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

Jasmine did, but nobody really thought a double bluff was likely. There is usually more than one possible play in each situation and that’s what makes it difficult. You go with what’s most likely, usually, and so there is also luck involved.

Agree completely, but I am still frustrated that Jaz didn't attempt to team up with Andrew and Evie to take Harry out at the round table while there were sufficient numbers for Mollie's vote not to matter!

That's what many of us wanted but I think it's become apparent that Evie was just as much under Harry's faithful spell as Mollie was. Jaz mentioned to her about Harry several times previously and she just fobbed him off.

Jaz needed a better argument to convince Mollie and I was frustrated he didn't throw more evidence at her.

Agreed, but the recruitment strategy seemed to be “people we think are useful idiots to be thrown under the bus” (although they got that wrong with Andrew) rather than “people who would make good traitors”. So the gender bias wasn’t optically great, but at least it didn’t seem like they were thinking that men were automatically better traitors than women.

We may get the likes of Harry, Paul, Mollie and Diane turning up on the usual celebrity shows - things like Sleb Bake-off, Masterchef, Strictly, Pointless etc, and I suspect Loose Women would like to recruit Diane. Depends whether they're interested, of course.

I only can think of Wilf, Meryl, and Amos and the latter is only cos he’s on morning television sometimes.

I don’t remember Amos at all!

Oh come on! Comments like this, the poor Mollie and nasty Harry type, are on a par with saying that if your football team is hammered this afternoon it's unfair, how dare the opposition have a better strategy! All 22 went into the programme knowing what it was like, too late to moan that others played a better game than you did.
As an old US Pres said If you can't stand the heat keep out of the kitchen!

But isn’t “Jaswinder” also an anglicisation, as the name would originally be written in a different script? So some colonial ruler just chose the transliteration “Jaswinder” not “Jazwyndar”, for example.

I think Claudia and Ed were actually aiming to avoid the third option, i.e. various people asking her "What the hell were you thinking, you had all the evidence you could possibly need that Harry was a traitor"

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He got the shield and showed it to a few people so they knew he had it (Mollie saw him get it so she already knew). The next morning, after recruiting Ross, he explained the fact they were all there at breakfast by him having the shield, saying the Traitors must have tried to murder him and failed. Then later he said the Traitors couldn't be anyone who knew about the shield, because if those people were Traitors, they wouldn't waste the murder. It pointed the finger at those who hadn't known.

I'm pretty sure Harry didn't do any of that.

It was Zack.

Harry told Zack, Jas etc the night before, but in the morning it was Zack that got excited and started telling everyone the theory. Harry then sat back and let Zack run with it. That was Harry's genius. He fed Zack ideas and off he went 😂

And that's why Evie and Jasmine kept referring to it as Zack's idea.

That's sort of why he deserved to win. No-one else really noticed that and took advantage of it.

Exactly.

Isn't Zack meant to be a political advisor? He's got the analytical bit, but I'm not sure he's up to scratch one 'astute' or 'considered aspects

In this show it was so noticeable that blokes only recruited blokes. Even Claudia commented on it.

Noticing and drawing attention to it does not equate to getting knickers in a twist over it.

Where did I say it's new information ffs, take a day off

I don't think Harry foresaw how Zack would run with that theory in the way he did. It worked out brilliantly for Harry, but that was one example of luck working to Harry's advantage (something he acknowledged in the post show interviews tbf).

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But to be fair, they recruited other blokes with the intention of then getting them banished and feeding the faithfuls another traitor. Not because they thought Miles or Andrew or Ross would be good traitors.

If they'd only recruited women with the intention of banishing them people would complain about that too 🤷‍♀️

Thanks @WriterOfWrongs I think I'm too tight to buy a Peacock subscription, we already have Netflix, Disney, Amazon & Now!!

Will just have to wait.

Re the spelling of names, if I saw my name written as Nikki, Nicki, Nickie, when it shpild be Nicky, I'd say to them afterwards about the spelling. It annoys me so much when people spell it wrong - mainly because they have ignored how I spelled it on my message or on my sm platform etc

I would imagine everyone involved in the production signs an NDA, to keep it a secret from filming ends til transmission.

and honestly even if someone found out, no mainstream press is going to print the outcome in advance, they will want to keep a good relationship with the tv press team and readers would be annoyed with spoilers, not grateful to know.

Really they should when they are voting shout across the table things like "Jaz, do you spell your name J A z or J A S?" Might take a small bit of mystery away from the voting though.

Jasmine was also spelt Jazmine by Harry. He also went with Charlot. With his choice of spelling being so phonetic it shouldn't take too must critical thinking to figure out he could be dyslexic.

Harry played a blinder but I think Jaz was really smart too. Mollie should really have played the odds and voted Harry because Jaz wouldn't have voted to banish again if he was a traitor so IF there was a traitor ot could only be Harry.

However, I don't understand how NOBODY said to the group hmm maybe they didn't try to murder Harry and recruited instead. He didn't come in and say that he got a letter to say he was murdered AND then both Evie and Jasmine were faithful. I think Andrew missed a trick by not saying that when it was just 4 of them left.

Agreed!

Harsh life lesson for Mollie though! Harry played a great game but he really did use Mollie in the process & I'd struggle to forgive him if I were her as losing over £40k is a very bitter pill to swallow.

Jaz wouldn't have voted to banish again if he was a traitor This has been said a few times, but that's not true as a statemnt on its own - a Traitor might have voted to banish again.
It's only when you properly look at what each scenario means that it is clear that Harry was a Traitor - and under the pressure, she wasnt going to think it through like that. My heart was thumping watching it, so god only knows how she felt

Interview with Harry https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/harry-traitors-season-2-interview

I think it's more that logically, it's obvious that a real traitor is going to think when they've just banished a different traitor (Andrew) is their best chance to fly under the radar and win it as the others are most likely to be convinced they're all out at that point. Technically he COULD have banished again as a traitor, but it would have been foolish and unlikely.