The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

"No, but as an Asian myself, I find it really annoying when people anglicise their own names to make it easier for white people to pronounce. I have seen his name spelt differently on different media."

He's bloody English, he was born in Manchester 😅. And you've not seen him write his name as Jas anywhere

Such arrogance! Traitor all the way

His name is Jaz Singh. Though of course all Singhs are not Sikh, All Sikhs are Singh though.

He can spell it any way he chooses; I just said Jas seemed more logical.

I did have a moment (when the camera shot zoomed in on Mollie starting to write 'Harry') of thinking - wow, she really has played a blinder, keeping her head down, never voicing her own opinion, just echoing others, faking an infatuation with Harry so he won't doubt her loyalty and then applying logic to chuck him under the bus and share the winnings with Jas/Jaz (!) who really deserved it as he'd played a blinding and far more risky game.

But no, what an embarrassing disappointment that she really hadn't had any strategy all along, and didn't even have the wits to capitalize on Jas/Jaz's strategy

I will take this as a compliment. I would love to be a Traitor. Though I would make a shit job of it.

august isnt it
autumn in scotland
then they had to go back to work and never mention it!

Yep. I know someone who was involved in filming (not a contestant) and it was done in late summer.

To be fair with the spellings, they presumably don't see each others names written down very often, so why would they know? And they can't really ask each other how to spell their names can they, it would be a bit obvious!

Except it’s not, because that’s not how he spells it…

Presumably names would have to be written somewhere on schedules / room allocations though? Even if just for the morning / evening pickups

They must also have stopped the clock while safety equipment was put on and safety briefings given. I bet the whole thing took hours!

Mollie and Evie were amazing at the abseil and cave and it was absolutely hilarious that neither Andrew nor Harry was able to help with raising the sail at first but the women (one of whom don’t even have two fully-functioning hands for goodness sake!) were straight in there hauling it up.

What I can't understand is why nobody, even the smarter ones like Jaz, Zach, Jasmine or Evie, ever questioned whether Harry got the shield DESPITE being a traitor? It's as though they were all under the illusion that traitors were not allowed to get shields. Yes, it was certainly a smart ruse and covered up the fact that there had been a recruitment, but the others must have known that traitors could also get shields and they should therefore have considered the other scenario to explain why there had not been a murder that morning... i.e. there had been a recruitment. Easy when you're watching it on TV, I suppose...

Yes, I'm not saying they never see them, just probably not that often, and nowhere you can check when writing down a name on a board if you can't quite remember in a stressful situation!

I rewatched episode 1 last night to brief DS before the final- and I noticed that for the first mission each of them had their name on a yellow armband over their wetsuit. Makes sense as there were so many of them at that point, and they had only just met.

I think it's insane how much people get annoyed at Harry, especially if you were in the game and faithful. You literally sign up to the show knowing that at any point you could be made a traitor also, people just get salty they aren't a traitor

Harry played a great game and the only one to really strategise. Molly coasted through, Jaz didn't follow up on his suspicions, Andrew bottled it for most.

I also don't think Harry ever intentionally meant to get close to Molly and manipulate her, and if people do think that they they clearly didn't watch the show properly.

The only deserved outcome really was Harry winning

Jaz did. It was one of the first things he said after Harry revealed it to all...that a Traitor could still get a shield.

It must be so hard. So fast moving, so intense, and everything could be a bluff or double bluff, and trying to make all the right alliances at the same time.

For those that didn't listen to Claudia's show on Radio 2, she said that when Harry took the shield in the cabin mission and came up with the whole shield ruse, she and the producers were gasping - so it wasn't manipulated by the production team.

Thanks @Turkeyhen - a nice little tidbit!

Whether you were happy or not with Harry's win, on reflection, I'm glad Jaz didn't vote for him when Andrew did.

Whatever the mechanic for unlocking a tie break - coin toss - whatever, that would have been a disservice to whoever lost. Imagine going the whole game to the final and then losing out on anything other than banishment or minder?

Mollie was honest, decent, loyal, trusting, honourable and faithful to the end.

You really can't get better qualities in a person, can you?

Agree completely, but I am still frustrated that Jaz didn't attempt to team up with Andrew and Evie to take Harry out at the round table while there were sufficient numbers for Mollie's vote not to matter!

@QuarterPastThree I don't know....these are the qualities that let genuinely nasty people (rather than, to give Harry credit, people who are just adopting these characteristics due to being in a game) get away with it. Critical thinking is a good quality too.

Someone said upthread that there were 200 people involved in the production.
That really isn’t that many when you factor in camera operators, editors, sound technicians, hair and make up, all the people they needed for safety in the various missions, directors, drivers, lighting crew, catering, security.

I watch Survivor too, or have done a lot. I can only think of one or two S Asian male contestants in the US version, if by S Asian you mean of Indian or Pakistani ethnicity. Many more male contestants who are of Korean, Chinese, Japanese or Vietnamese descent.

I haven't watched the last two seasons but they came out after the Diversity Initiative, so there would be somewhat of an irony in the S Asian men being voted out on a prejudiced basis. Not saying it didn't happen though during those seasons though.

Who are the S Asian Survivor contestants you're thinking of?

The women weren't ever given the chance, as the men kept recruiting more men. People like Charlotte, Evie, Jasmine and Diane could all have been pretty good.

I did mention to my DH and DS when they were feeling sorry for Andrew and Harry, that women with morning sickness every day have to just get on with it.