The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

Harry's won a load of money for being the best at lying, the best at manipulating, the best at being two faced and the best at gas lighting.

The show is so messed up.

Jaz played a very good game

tactical

That's not why she voted Jas. She initially did work it out and changed her mind. She didn't vote Jas because of 100k, cameras etc. She voted Jas because she was so enslaved to Harry that it overrode the reason she did initially employ.

It really is that simple, and that complicated.

Easy solution: don't watch in the future? Bit odd to watch shows like the Traitors and complain the winner was a liar. Like watching Love Island and complaining about too much skin.

@napody exactly! Jas had to tread the fine line of trying to get other faithfuls to see he was talking logic, while not sticking his head too far above the parapet. He did this really well to get to the final, and dropped a pretty damn big clue to Mollie - 'I'm going to ask Harry something and I want you to watch carefully...'

Mollie really messed up big time. Out of the 3 at the end, Jas was the best player imo. Harry was good, but I think poor play by others made his job easier. Mollie kept her head down and was totally passive for 95% of the time, never voicing her own opinions and thereby avoiding murder and got to the final by that means rather than good play. Then having got through to the final by default rather than strategy, she messed up the chance she had to win big. Embarrassing.

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I’m sure she is fine, she knew what she was signing up for and the production team will have screened all the contestants thoroughly.

No doubt she was upset at the time but she’s not any worse off that she was before, she hasn’t lost any of her own money and they didn’t have a romantic relationship even if she did fancy him.

Don’t forget it was filmed months ago, she’s had time to get over it and prepare for the tv interviews etc.

I wasn't uncomfortable about it until today listening to both uncloaked and now Claudia on radio 2 and both Claudia and Ed keep reiterating that Molly and Harry are fine now, kind os asking Molly leading questions. I feel like she is being pushed into being fine with it so the production doesn't look bad, or why do they keep saying it for her. I'd imagine in reality she'll always have, at best, mixed feelings! I don't really like that they are not allowing for any feelings.

Yes, Jas was the best player. He had the harder job. It's much easier to plot and strategise when you know who everyone is than it is to figure out who the plotting strategiser is without getting killed or banished, and Jas managed it to one step from the end - and we saw Mollie go with his conclusion initially before emotion took over.

Mollie did an amazing absail

"The Supremes" will be on Claudia's show in the next hour 😜

There's a case for arguing, as a faithful, that there is no point busting a gut to get traitors out because they will only be replaced. Therefore what they should aim to do is to identify the traitors, but keep quiet so the traitors don't perceive them to be dangerous, and ideally aim to encourage the traitors to murder the dimmer faithfuls as well as banishing them. Then you'd get towards the end game with a strong band of faithfuls who could pick off the traitors one by one.

Agree. He'd flung so many names out o thought he was taking credit for an earlier banishment.

Don't know why people are saying that Jaz is the best player when he lost! Sure he identified traitors but wasn't actually that much use in getting rid of them. Both times he tried to get rid of a traitor (Paul and Harry), he failed.

And waiting to go for Harry until the only person he needed on his side was Mollie was an obvious disaster.

I do think that objectively Mollie ignored signs that it was Harry in a way that she did not with other players, she said so many times that she couldn't leave in people she loved unless she could 100% trust them, but kicked out people that there were far less clues towards than Harry. By her own logic, she should have seen there was smoke on that fire and voted him out to be safe.

That was some well articulated Jas love there! Totally agree.
I'm glad at least Harry acknowledged that he totally underestimated Jas. And you're right, the faithful automatically have the harder job. The best faithful has always had to have been smarter than the best traitor.

I do hope that by the time S3 comes around, the players pick up on a pattern I spotted just from watching the UK and US series 1, which is that the faithfuls left in the final are generally close to the remaining traitor and have blindly trusted them throughout (hence why it was beneficial to the traitor to keep them in), so those are the people you need to be suspicious of when it gets to the final.

Totally agree. People saying contestants will have ruined their reputation and hireability forever is ridiculous. It is a GAME. I was super invested in this series but honestly I'm already moving on with my life and deciding what to watch next like any normal person surely?

So sad to see how much people enjoy judging and putting people down. Absolutely crazy.

Yes, bit of a bugger, that
And he'd shared his suspicions with her and Zack a few days earlier, but they clearly just dismissed it, and it didn't make them look at Harry any harder. Even though Jaz had proved right when he was suspicious of Paul. Dolts!

let's not forget that one reason Jaz got to final is precisely because Jaz held his counsel which made Harry under-estimate Jaz.

The last mission was quite amusing, notably the way the team was magically all harnessed up to abseil within seconds of arriving at the clifftop (and presumably the time for harnessing etc didn't come off their time limit?) and the camera team studiously tried to keep the helpers who had to be there out of shot. However, it was noticeable that an extra body suddenly appeared at the top when Andrew got into difficulty.

I was also sniggering slightly at the fact that it was the two big strong men who were prostrated with seasickness on the boat.

i guess the prize pot is so huge makes it seem like more than a Game

a wicked game!

It would be nice to think Jas and Harry ended the game secretly having respect for the other in recognising that both had played well. It would be even nicer to think Harry recognised that Jas had the harder job and tbh played a blinder. He knew when he was shut down by the other faithfuls (shame on them!) that he'd get murdered if he kept pushing his opinion. To get to the final was quite an achievement.

All a big contrast to Mollie whinging that the game was 'horrible' and then storming off in tears 'oh fuck no! Boo hoo!'