The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

[MaggieFS]

Discuss!

I don't think she will answer or address this because the answer is probably quite humiliating.

She thought all 3 of them were faithfuls. She thought Harry was her 'friend' after just 2 weeks and naively thought he would not lie to her, despite literally signing up to be in a game called The Traitors. So in that banishment she believed she was voting out the person who would not have a share of the money.

Plus she probably had a crush on Harry which he exploited, and that further clouded her judgement. 'She believes everything I say'

Not forgetting that she would have almost certainly been shielding during Covid. She wouldn’t have had as much experience of meeting new people and making judgments as she should have.
Add to that the very high stakes, the cameras, the atmosphere and two men staring at her waiting to decide their fate.

100 per cent this. A remarkable Traitor. A game well played and a win well deserved x

I thought the last series ended up with 2 male traitors and their girls? Though the faithful did win. Not through their excellent sleuthing though!

when has there been a female traitor gang at the end? I would like to see that to compare!

I assume it would have had to go to tossing a coin -Claudia mentioned that at a previous round table -1 more vote where only the tied could be picked was done, which wouldn't help with 2v2. Going out on a coin toss would have been very unfair though.

Not convinced Jaz did do good job at the end.

He worked it out early on and kept it to himself and so avoided murder (probably wise) but then left it too late.

He suspected Harry and also Andrew was on his radar.

He was even given a prime opportunity in the cars when.they were split into groups where he was with Jasmine and Evie, and Molly with the two traitors. Absolutely time to speak up and to talk to Jasmine and Evie and push the Harry shield thing away from Zach's theory that it had to be Ross, Jasmine or Evie. This would have meant the round table wouldn't have been mostly Jasmine v Evie.

He wasn't very good at communicating and quite defeatist when anyone countered his thought when he finally spoke up. (Even around the fire pit.)

Totally lacked the courage of his convictions.

Still like him though!

We know the reason. She wasn't thinking, she was feeling. Despite there being absolutely no reason for and everything against, she simply couldn't bring herself to believe that Harry wasn't who she thought he was. In a way, it was very illuminating and also, I think, a bit chilling. We see this sort of thing all the time. I'm not accusing Harry of being an abusive boyfriend, but it is the same phenomenon we see on here every day from women in abusive relationships.

She even said on Uncloaked that she still believes he's Faithful! And I think some small part of her still does and still can't accept this.

She wasn't pressed too much on it because it would have destroyed her. I'm glad they took care with her.

@Roastiesarethebestbit There have been kickass female traitors with male sidekicks, but I can;t answer your question because I am not allowed to spoil.

@MaggieFS I really think she was in deep denial at the end. The conversations she had with Harry towards the end... I think she got to the point where she couldn't psychologically bear the idea that he might be a traitor, which is quite different from genuinely not thinking he was. Denial is a very powerful thing and leads people to act in all kinds of convoluted ways and she was very much in that headspace. We do all kinds of crazy things to try to avoid seeing what we don't want to see.

She even said on Uncloaked that she still believes he's Faithful!

I have lost any sympathy I had- not much- with this statement.

@themusingsofaninsomniac completely agree. There were other contestants who didn't stick their head above the parapet and were murdered early to try to throw other Faithfuls off the scent by not always murdering the strong, more vocal players. Mollie kept her head down and really tried to avoid giving a view of her own, she kind of hung on the coat tails of others and could easily have been murdered if it hadn't been for Harry being smart enough to clock early on that she was the most easily manipulated and therefore it was in his interests to protect her til close to the end.

It annoyed me that Mollie did the whole 'helpless female' thing, crying, whining about how horrible it all was and then whispering 'is it you?' to Harry at the end. What the hell did she think he was going to say? It really does the sisterhood know favours when women behave like that! It's a TV show, with very clear rules and it's not even like it's the first series - Mollie should have watched and learnt from series 1.

All this talk of loyalty being the most important thing and 'I'd hire Mollie over Harry' is totally missing the point. The entire game is about play

www.bbc.com/mediacentre/mediapacks/the-traitors-series-2-contestants

This makes hilarious reading after the show. Mollie liking Meryl's gameplay from S1 says a lot. And Anthony saying it is important not to rub people up the wrong way!

Posted too early:

...Playing a role. We have no idea whether any of these people are trustworthy or not in real life.

I don’t think she was seriously saying she still thought he was a faithful, it was a joke and one of the only times she was able to ‘laugh at herself’ because she did look broken. They barely looked at each other.

I think Mollie said something like (I'm paraphrasing) "He's promised me a holiday, we're all good"

Jaz lost out in his share of the £95k but he got some real validation for himself. He was pretty much the only player not gobsmacked after learning Harry was a traitor. He said 'I was right, I was right' almost like he couldn't believe he had been right after all. With all the others - not just Mollie - unable to see that Harry could be a traitor he must have been shutdown by the others ever time he suggested it as a possibility. He probably even started to second guess himself and wondered if he was just being too untrusting due to what his dad did. Am pleased he got a good ending for himself although he was robbed of £47k.

Haha! That's exactly what I said to my DH in reply to 'What will he spend his £95k on?': 'More chavvy designer wear.'

Did you see his stupid shoe with one tassel?

I was steaming with Mollie but afterwards repented a bit; I mean, logically, Jaz was faithful as he'd voted to banish, and I guess she knew that as she started to write 'Harry', but then afterwards just thought Jaz was mistaken and so didn't want to betray her friend who she thought was faithful.

Agree Jaz should have broken the dream team. The traitors will have to think very carefully about strategy in future games. Leaving it that late to enable someone to vote you out, especially if apparently from nowhere, is a huge marker and from now on future players will be well on the alert for it. Harry should have jumped on a faithful voting bandwagon and got Andrew out earlier. Caveat: I didn't watch from the start and don't actually know if there are rules about this 😂 I guess the risk is that you can't manipulate the voting off of faithful as easily.

The alternative for the shield is.

Jaz knew Harry had the shield. So jaz could have recruited that night and hoped they'd assume someone who didn't know about Harry shield would think they tried and failed to get Harry.

Obviously traitors didn't want to dwell too much on that argument as meant more traitors there at the end (if anyone could work out the numbers, probably not)

No, on one level she was joking but on the other...yes, I think there is still a small part of her that still doesn't quite believe it.

It would be entirely in line with women with abusive partners who say "I know he's an arsehole but I just don't feel it". Again, absolutely not accusing Harry of being an abuser but this is the same psychology.

Harry played the game and won so I don't understand why some posters feel he should split his winnings with Molly. Molly didn't play the game, it was almost as if she forgot it was a game as she put so much trust and loyalty in Harry who she'd only known for 2 weeks. I do feel for Molly and the way Harry played her and her feelings for him. Telling Andrew that Molly believes everything I tell her, so humiliating for Molly and although he thought that he didn't have to say it. Although Harry won the game I'm not sure he'll be the biggest winner in regard to career etc. I think some of the others will fare better including Molly.

For those who have watched only this season, there are other seasons where women were equally manipulative and men have been led along like sheep. The women were then roundly abused on social media!

I am just not allowed to post spoilers.

Such a good point. Anyone who has been betrayed or conned in RL in the way Jaz has would be left questioning their own judgement. As a viewer we could see that Jaz was often correct in his judgements in the game, but it wasn't until afterwards (on Uncloaked) that I realised he didn't know how right he was. It looked to me like he had an inner certainty he was preparing to unleash at the end, but in fact he wasn't sure at all. I'm so pleased for him that he got that validation about his judgement, and he could leave the experience feeling good about himself.

@Choux exactly! The power of groupthink - which after all, is exactly what the game is based on. Jas was hands down the best Faithful, thinking strategically but got shut down too quickly by the others.

Harry played a great game and won fair and square, but Jas deserves as much credit for playing as well as he could, and would have won if Mollie hadn't screwed up. I really can't get on board with all this sympathy for Mollie. She was obviously really pissed off with herself for losing out on the money and not realising logically that Harry was the only possible traitor left at the end- but she didn't come across as hav

Jaz was also very very good at manipulating people- he convinced Harry he was not suspicious of him at all and that he believed in him.

Harry played a good game. I dislike him not for the manipulation, which is necessary, but for the arrogance he showed in the diary room. I didn't like him before he was a traitor though - he did say he had a face you either loved or wanted to punch...

I hadn't realised quite how certain Evie was that Harry wasn't a traitor. When we were discussing the various scenarios yesterday, it was plausible Jaz (or another faithful but unlikely) could have won by teaming up with Andrew and Evie against Harry. And then banishing Andrew because he was already under suspicion. With hindsight, that was never going to happen,