Australian Traitors Season 2: Spoilers!! Spoilers!!

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For all those who have WATCHED Season 2 on Daily Motion and wish to discuss ... SPOILERS

The ending. What a blinder Camille played! And Sam still trying to talk her out of it. I would have done exactly the same.

I can't remember most contestant's names now but it was extraordinary how every time someone suspected Sam he deflected onto them and off they were banished. I couldn't work out if he was a genius or the rest of them were extraordinarily stupid. I certainly wouldn't be pleased if that psychologist woman was my therapist, dumb to the very last moment.

I wish they would have more series with normal people. I like the UK ones because the people are so real and have normal jobs. You will get the odd one like Paul who is clearly trying to be famous, but most are not.

Also, in the ones with reality stars, the stars often get voted out first. Which is unfair and predictable.

Quite a few of the cast were approached for the UK Traitors - Harry was invited, for example, he didn't apply.

Normal people to a certain degree - they do like some cast to have a decent social following.

I have over 15 k followers on Twitter, more than Paul. Do you think I have a chance? 😀I'd be shit at it though. Scared of heights and can't abseil.

I bet the production team were panicking at how it turned out. I felt like Rodger had been told to steer them a bit at the round table in the later episodes - he said things like 'don't let yourselves be swayed', 'think about scenarios you haven't considered' etc, basically saying 'don't be idiots'.

Rodger was definitely trying to steer them, but they were so thick they didn't take the hint. Or even notice Sam smirking.

Rodger had his work cut out. He was definitely trying so hard to guide them towards the end. But nothing.

They were unbelievably dense. They'd spend all day rallying together saying 'Yes Sam' and then capitulate and do whatever Sam said at the Round Table. I can't actually believe how many Faithfuls gave them Sam on a plate and were then banished because he got defensive and turned on them. Over and over - same pattern day after day. And to be as clunky as to instantly murder anyone that got in his way - the lack of strategy was so frustrating and undeserving.

But the whole series was fighting a losing battle

Stupid Faithfuls
Shit Production Values
Crap Tasks
Vile 'Lead' Trator
No subtley
No real game-players
And most annoyingly - too many blurred boundaries between Rodger and the players. All that banter and "Morning Dude". Claudia wouldn't stand for that. She is revered, feared and respected. And rightly so.

Bridget yeah, production must have been scrambling. Honestly, Rodger could have told them all that Sam was a traitor and that lot would have still banished someone else on Sam’s say so. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Luke literally told them that if he was murdered, it would be Sam. And then he got murdered. But they still went for Simone! Unbelievable.

In contrast, the British traitors were so careful about the murders.

I think the editing team did a stella job...

Ah … Just finished watching.

I’d read that there was an unusual ending - and was hoping that might mean Gloria had won. Obviously not.

But yes, everyone should have paid more attention to Camille’s background; she wasn’t the pushover they foolishly took her to be.

Poor Blake!

I don’t know how Australian TV works - does Sam have any chance of a great screen career after proving himself such a poor loser?

A knobber is still a knobber in Australia.

No one likes a knobber.

I’m three episodes into New Zealand traitors – don’t know if someone else wants to start a thread or I can start one when I finished if there is any interest. What I’m finding hilarious so far - and is no spoiler - is the voiceover go s X number of complete strangers go to a deserted Hotel – in fact, a good chunk of them already bloody know each other. Which obviously completely alters the dynamic. New Zealand is obviously even smaller than I thought!

I'm sorry to hear the Aussie version has been cancelled. I actually really enjoyed it - more than Oz series 1. They did seem to be the biggest bunch of idiots ever, but that's part of what I found compelling. It was like watching the proverbial car crash!

The end was wonderful. I was so glad Sam got exactly what he deserved, and I don't understand why anybody felt sorry for Blake 😁

Just watched it. Weird weird series!! Glad Sam didn't win anything though, what a shit!!

Blake and Camille needed to collude more and get Sam out. Especially at the end when whatsherface was the only faithful left.
Then they could have shared the money

Oh boy. Agree with all of the above. The ending was good but the series became tedious in general because all the smart interesting people were banished or murdered.

They really need to rethink the format/rules. The traitors have so much power it becomes boring to watch.

and it is becoming quite obvious that sexism/ageism is at play.

It was so strange how they would change their minds on sam at the round table. Pretty much saying I'm almost certain it's sam but I'll just vote this other person off instead.
I think what's interesting is no-one at all seems to have wished Sam had won. He was despicable.
Harry in the UK version I thought did deserve to win, but there have been people saying it shows he was an untrustworthy, manipulative person, which I didn't agree with. To me, Harry just played well. Sam was so arrogant with it. Just awful.

We ended up shouting at the TV every time one of the planks said ‘the traitors can murder themselves’. Why go on the show if you haven’t mastered the basic rules?

And what everyone else has said above.

I absolutely agree with this. Harry played a great game but frequently showed remorse and how hard it was. He didn’t have egotistical gun moves or refer to himself as the sheriff. He was a nice lad that played well, yes he lied and manipulated as that is part of the game but also showed humanity and was a nice person to around. Sam was a total narcissistic dickhead and his downfall was frankly delicious.

Finally finished it. So glad Camille did that. Sam was a total dick.
It was shit other than that.

Agree with lots of the points above:

• Peak schadenfreude to see Sam taking home nothing at the end - delighted!
• Camille absolutely bossed it - well done her
• Annabel was so irritating, but basically the best player there
• The faithfuls were ALL dum dums, particularly Sarah
• The casting of this season was dreadful, starting with the "celebs" but particularly the "social influencer narcissist queen" types
• Amazing that each time they came for Sammy, he deflected, and the dumdums voted for the person who had led the charge. This was particularly the case in Simone and then Gloria's banishments.
• I actually enjoy Rodger as the host, he's different from Claudia but he is funny and classy. His minion Daniel however, was most definitely surplus to requirements, like a shit Teller

As much as I enjoyed seeing Sammy getting that takedown, I do think the producers rigged it at the end to save themselves $220,000 AUD. At no stage in either series was it mentioned that if only traitors get to the end, then they have to play a "Traitor's Dilemma" endgame. Every episode they literally said "If any traitors remain at the end, they steal everything" and that should honestly be the outcome, as much as we loved seeing "the Sherriff" being taken down a huge number of pegs.

Bringing in the "Traitors Dilemma" was not mentioned, or not actually fair, because the Traitors had played the game according to the known rules and won. If they had known about the "Traitors Dilemma" then they would not have engineered it as they did to remove the final faithful from within their midst. So it feels like an unfair sting in the tail.

I do think the Australian one probably has a far smaller budget, and the producers on this one messed up badly, possibly due to having insufficient people to "game" all the permutations and combinations through every day, though I maintain the problems began with casting this bunch of morons.

I listened to an interview with Annabel on the Traidar podcast (recommended for all Traitor series) and she says most of them had never watched the Traitors and, of those who had, mostly not even a whole series. It does make you wonder about the casting. Why apply to a show you have no interest in?

The series was so short, they seemed to get to the end quicker than expected, I guess because the Traitors murdered so fast maybe? Camille being interviewed on the same podcast series says Sam outlined the plan for them all to get to the end and share the money on the night she was recruited, so they did know about the potential dilemma situation. She and Blake both claim they unsuccessfully tried to persuade the other to ditch Sam before the very end so that remains a mystery.

It was oddly structured at the end. The whole thrust of the early part of the finale was around the imminent sharing of the loot amongst the traitors. I thought I must have skipped an episode as it took so long for them to circle back to the fact Sarah was still there. So her exit felt hugely anti-climactic.

And it’s true, the Traitors’ Dilemma seemed to be introduced to the audience very late in the day. Perhaps I missed earlier references to it.

The whole thing was anticlimactic till the last five minutes really. Rodger saying to Sarah as soon as she was banished ‘let’s find out about the other players’ should have made it immediately apparent to her that they were all Traitors for example. But she didn’t clock even at that point! Camille said they did all the green/red powder throwing but none of it was shown. She also said that neither of the men would speak to her afterwards (and months later when the interview was recorded still hadn’t) and the producers wouldn’t let her find Sarah so on the final night she went and drank champagne in the control room with the production team.

She also said that neither of the men would speak to her afterwards (and months later when the interview was recorded still hadn’t.

What poor sports.