Traitors Season 2 starts this week *Tv pace/No spoilers*

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from the BBC website

The Traitors will return on Wednesday 3 January from 9pm on BBC One and BBC iPlayer and episodes 2 and 3 will be available on iPlayer immediately after. The show will air on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights.

They don't, that's the point. That's why the results shouldn't be taken to heart - god knows what led Brian to take it so seriously. The pressure must be mangling his judgement.

I expect what we see as one day is probably filmed over 2 days as they have to film all the talking heads and set up the challenges and have breaks for lunch and drive to and from accommodation etc. The production team must be huge if each person is man marked when they’re not filming.

I suspect the talking heads may be filmed at quite different times and then edited in, so wouldn’t necessaily take more than a day for each. It’s only really the breakfast, challenge and round table.

@Pleasbekind If you know Brian irl, are you able to give us any more information.

Where do they stay? Do they have food at their accomadation ? Are they stripped of phones etc?

Where is The Chair of doom? In the castle? If so, do they read the card before going into the taxi at night? Or do they get to read it in the morning?

Do they share taxi from the accomadation? If so, do they change the number plate of the car to traitor? Or do they get mini-bussed to the castle grounds, and then get in the land rovers?

I assumed the 'what was I thinking' moments are filmed after they see footage of the moment, and are asked to describe what was going thru their head at the time. So indeed filmed long afterwards.

Honestly if I went on this show, I'd just want to hang out, people watch, and hope not to be banished or murdered relatively early. Have a laugh while it lasts, really. Always intrigues me how seriously most of them take it.

The start of the last series was even worse with few willing to suggest names and instead tending to go with the numbers. At least we had a three way tie by episode three (with several other names thrown around too).

I think it takes time for people to start letting their guard down/ have confidence to speak out.

Plus no one wants to stand out too early because the first few banishments and murders before anyone builds relationships really are something of a total lottery.

Thing is it's totally immersive and they literally have nothing else to do and no contact with anyone or anything else.

Go on holiday for five days with five complete strangers and no one is allowed to leave the villa and see how quickly those relationships become your entire universe.

I think people are being unnecessarily hard on Brian.
Look at last year how Aaron broke down at the round table when he was accused of being a traitor. He was a faithful but the stress of being accused if something he wasn’t was unbearable.
Think of how children behave when they are asked a simple question such as “Did you eat your sister’s sweets?” They often cry uncontrollably. Except of course the ones who are actually guilty.
This programme shows how easily people can be manipulated. Watching this then thinking about the likes of The Tinder Swindler I can see how these manipulative types get away with it.
I think Paul is finding it all too easy. In my mind he is come if across as quite a sociopath. Lots of people have this personality trait. Yes it’s a competition, yes those who know him might think he is a great guy, but underneath the public persona this is who he really is. He is the type (and I’ve come across many in my time) who would sell their grandmother to the devil if it benefitted them.

I think Paul is just playing a game and having fun camping up the villain persona, I think Harry is doing the same thing but because he is younger no one is giving him a hard time. Has anyone been listening to the BBC podcast? the bit about how the breakfast are actually horrible is hilarious… I’d always imagined that would be the major perk of being in there.

Yes surely Paul is just playing the game?

Having to Chuck other traitors under the bus is the game, especially to protect yourself.

Better to be considered a good gane player than a faithful sheep or unable to defend yourself! Someone you'd want in business. (On what is seen so far)

OMG this is going to be a good season I think!

I think Paul isn't a psycho IRL but is WILDLY clever and leaning hard into a psycho persona for the show - suspect a true psycho would lack the self-knowledge he has to articulate what he's doing so well? It's spooky how brilliantly he has charmed them all and spooky how well he's calibrating the performance (that bit when he was talking about the breakfast and whether or not as a faithful he'd "well up a tiny bit" was crazy! Scary but also hats off, he's just so GOOD at playing the bloody game!)

I think it's also pretty clear that he has charisma - and Harry too, and that Miles is basically just a lovely guy that they roped in after he'd made his faithful alliances in good faith already - so that's why people are responding really well to those three.

Poor Ash I think basically just isn't as charming? She's ever so slightly rigid, a bit desperate in her espionage attempts, and looked guilty as hell when Sonja threw the accusation at her... She's not a good traitor, is what it comes down to.

BUT it's mad that she'd have sailed through the roundtable if Harry and Paul didn't backstab her... It was a duff move from them in some ways because you don't want to backstab someone you're not 100% sure will go! Definitely their first big mis-step if you ask me. Lovely Miles (my current fave contestant by some margin) will be on high alert from here on out, which is too early really for them all to be mistrusting each other... Traitor camaraderie is already shot to hell, and only on episode 3!

I'm assuming that Brian goes - either voted out or coin-toss - and that Ash's teary chat was after a reprieve - it felt more that way to me for some reason, that she was stressing about how to continue after a betrayal not a banishment - but obviously I'm just guessing!

In terms of Faithfuls, I do think Brian is cracking under the (no doubt both very real and also artificially heightened by the production team) pressure - but still it's mental that it took so little to break him! Voted a sheep? Talk about spoiled middle-class problems! He didn't seem to do anything super helpful during either of the challenges either, so I definitely think he deserves to go.

I instinctively dislike Diane, Zack and Andrew - all very pleased with themselves and yet none of them contributing very much! I like Jonnie and I hope he does well, has obviously been through something awful but seems like it's not holding him back at all. Jasmine shines out for me too in the snippets I've seen as someone I'd get on with.

But definitely the lesson from Sonja and Aubrey is don't be too fashion- fabulous nor go around loudly proclaiming your genius if you want to get to week 2! I was sorry that Kyra was murdered too, she did a lot to help them win that bloody awful water challenge and seemed pretty generally great so it was a bummer that they offed her.

Wednesday night just can't roll around quick enough! 😁

I was sorry that Kyra was murdered too, she did a lot to help them win that bloody awful water challenge and seemed pretty generally great so it was a bummer that they offed her.

I wasn't hugely surprised, though. She was quite big personality with a lot of influence, but not close to any traitors.

Yes if you happen to form a bond with a traitor then you are probably safe at the moment. While if you form a good bond with one or more faithfuls and that puts you on the radar of the traitors and you can be murdered.

But in the first few days it's somewhat chance who you spend time with in the challenges and the cars and at meals and get to know.

Finally watched all so far and caught up with the thread!

Why did nobody question Diane for calling Anthony a traitor even though it was based on something that happened before they even entered the castle?!

I think she's one of those teachers who takes against someone for the slightest thing on day one and makes their life a misery for the rest of their school days. Urgh.

"Why did nobody question Diane for calling Anthony a traitor even though it was based on something that happened before they even entered the castle?!"

I don't think anyone picked her up on it because they all fall in to the same trap of assuming traitors are somehow traitors because of persona,lity traits they exhibit, and not that they were chosen by the poriduction team to play that role.

It's the most fascinating aspect of the show for me, as this has happened in every version of this show I have watched, both UK and forrin.

Why did nobody question Diane for calling Anthony a traitor even though it was based on something that happened before they even entered the castle?!

Hilariously I missed that!! Yikes! I knew I didn't agree with her reasoning but not that it wasn't actually possible he was a traitor when that happened...

I guess it's possible that she was saying it was an incident which shows he's selfish or not a team player and therefore he's likely to have asked to be one?

But basically from an objective POV what she describes is her saying "I want you to move for me" and him saying "no thanks I don't want to" and her therefore gunning for him forever after... Which is objectively mental!

They all fall in to the same trap of assuming traitors are somehow traitors because of personality traits they exhibit, and not that they were chosen by the poriduction team to play that role.

I do agree it's interesting but we saw in the pre-decision interviews that Paul (and Sonja) pitched really hard to get to be traitors. Diane was shown saying "please don't make me a traitor I'd hate it".

So that makes it clear that it has got SOMETHING to do with your personality type, IYSWIM, because if you asked not to be one they'd be unlikely to do it!

Traitor-status actually does depend a bit on what sort of person you are. And I think that's why Sonja got voted out, because she WAS the kind of person who'd ask to be one, sort of a game-player and a stirrer... Not that Diane isn't that too obvs! But she thinks she's a little innocent lamb!

It's also easy to fall into the trap of thinking that someone must be a traitor if you don't like them.

He’s I think because Dianexhas says she would not want to be a traitor, she maybe thinks Anthony has the right personality to make a good traitor.
If I was Miles I would be watching Paul & Harry extremely carefully. It was quite obvious he was disappointed in them voting for Ash. I’d be throwing both of them under the bus asap.

Miles wouldn't survive as a lone traitor IMO. He needs devious people like Paul and Harry.

I can't wait for the people who voted Paul as most popular to realise <evil cackle>

How would you do that? There are two of them and only one of Miles...and Paul is apparently the most popular player.

I don't think he necessarily needs to throw them under the bus now because they voted Ash. He just needs to be aware that they won't have his back if he messes up so he mustn't rely on them.

I didn't watch series 1 so I've no idea why Diane didn't want to be at the end of the line and was trying to get into the middle - can anyone explain? She said it was 'because of what happened last time'.

They were told to line up in the order of how likely they thought they were to win. The two people at the very end, deeming themselves least likely, were promptly sent home ("I'll take you at your word"). Or so we all thought. They turned up in disguise later during a task and rejoined the game.

Ah I see!

Maybe Diane didn’t want to be a traitor as she realised from last year that that’s the hardest position to be in.

i don’t think anyone challenged her because it was the first round table so they were all finding their feet. No one wanted to be too obvious or confrontational and put themselves in the firing line. Yes, Diane spoke first (maybe being a teacher gave her this confidence), and she immediately accused someone else. A clever tactic, as it deflected away from her, and made everything Anthony was a traitor. I think everyone respected/were a little afraid of her authority.