Traitors Season 2 starts this week *Tv pace/No spoilers*

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from the BBC website

The Traitors will return on Wednesday 3 January from 9pm on BBC One and BBC iPlayer and episodes 2 and 3 will be available on iPlayer immediately after. The show will air on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights.

Also, I'd say that the gameplan for any Traitor on the first night needs to include "what's a good reaction if someone asks me to my face if I'm a Traitor?"

Because we all know from S1 that eventually that happens and you have to do better than look shifty and guilty and repeatedly say "I'm sorry I can't hear you"!!

Yeah, the show makes a total mockery of "trust your gut". If that were true, they'd all just get rid of the traitors straight away on the power of gut feelings.

There's also a feeling that people are predictable and you can take a kind of Game of Thrones approach in knowing what they'll do. But that's not true either. I can see why Paul thought he'd be protected after being voted most popular and planting the seed of being scared that popular people were being killed off, but he wasn't. Did we actually hear why they chose Andrew?

It's hard because everything can be sincere, a bluff or a double bluff. Everyone has a reason for doing everything. It's nice to think you could get all logical and Agatha Christie about it, but you can't really.

@NonPlayerCharacter Did we actually hear why they chose Andrew?

Yes - it was Paul's idea, he thought Andrew was strong and "a threat" and wanted to murder him that day.

Since they could only murder one of the dungeon four, that meant Andrew had to be one, and Mr Smug got the shock of his life that the group chose to save Andrew instead of him!

It's pretty lucky for Andrew because he's MUCH safer from murder after all this has gone down! Poor Meg though - wrong place at the wrong time...

Sorry, I meant: did we hear why the group chose to protect Andrew instead of Paul?

Ooops sorry! No, I think they just said it went to a vote and the majority won?

I think people like him because he's the dad of the group. Also I think there were people like Jaz and Zach in that team who probably argued against Paul, right? But it wasn't shown.

I like Andrew but I guess his card is marked and he'll be murdered at some point now; marking him as more popular than Paul makes him a threat.

I think there was some discussion that Paul would be safer at the round table, compared to Andrew. But that doesn’t really make much sense as they were saving someone from murder, not banishment.

Has Diane’s other son been on TV then? I know about Sam Swainsbury, but he’s her son-in-law.

Yes, Kerr Logan. He was in Game of Thrones and Strike.

She definitely has actorly connections!

@NonPlayerCharacter bit murdering Andrew points the finger straight at Paul as a Traitor. Meg has gone so they’ll know she was faithful and murdering Andrew marks him as Faithful. All it would take is someone (maybe a crafty move by Harry or Myles to take Paul down) to say “What if there were 2 Traitors in the dungeon?” and Paul could be a goner.

I had a ‘who’s Evie?’ Moment as well.

i did think Paul excused himself why he voted for Ash the previous night well. He must be very convincing.

it’ll be interesting to see who they start suspecting now Ash and Meg are gone - ie all the obvious candidates. Would they suspect a traitor voting for a traitor? Let’s face it , both Paul and Harry can use that as a reason for not being a traitor.

And unless Paul and Harry turn on Miles, he may slip under the radar.

She's like a ginger Judy Murray!! Super fit, tough lady who pushes her kids to do well through force of will!

@Riverlee it’ll be interesting to see who they start suspecting now Ash and Meg are gone - ie all the obvious candidates. Would they suspect a traitor voting for a traitor?

Ash actually made a good point about people under the radar but she made it badly (bit of a pattern for her...)

Evie and Charlie, I doubt I could pick either out of a blonde line up at this point.

Meg obviously was sitting back too, though she's gone now she wouldn't actually have been offed if they'd had a choice.

So it's sort of true that saying nothing gets you further than saying a lot... But the show would be pretty unwatchable if every player tried to stay quiet until day 5!!

Aarrgghh, Ash so irritated me tonight.

She knows Paul wants her out and others have started saying his name, and then decides to through Evie under the bus?

that was idiotic and it shows she clearly wasn’t cut out to be a traitor.

I think she just got completely flustered and didn't know what to do.

@WoolyMammoth55 I don't think anyone is saying Ash should directly name Paul as a traitor - just drop heavy hints. No different to how him shafted her.

I for one absolutely loved Kieron's parting comment making the remaining dopes players rethink their "Wilf is a 100% faithful" mindset.

The devious player being exposed is absolutely delicious.

(I say dopes because gawd knows why they thought Wilf's screaming and crying, and head grapping showed how faithful he was.)

I think this is why, much as I liked Amanda in the last series, I think I always root for the Faithful. The Traitors are at an advantage from the start. They're the predators, they have much more control, and I just love the idea of the hunter becoming the hunted and being outsmarted despite all their advantage. Although if the last series is anything to go by, it doesn't pay to be too smart!

I liked Paul up until yesterday. His scheming made a nice change from Wilf's endless weeping. But ugh: his family love spiel was so fake. He's toast, I think. Especially after that stupid dungeon move.People have already sussed him.

Ash is incredibly stupid too. Why didn't she vote for Paul?

It's not a team game. I don't know why people on this thread or any of the players expect traitors or faithfuls to support each other.

I don't like the secret relationship between players thing. For all we know, Diane and Ross could have made a pact between themselves beforehand not to put themselves up as traitors. That would mean they have an advantage over everyone else in being certain of one other player being a faithful. OK so it's a 1 in 22 advantage, but an advantage nevertheless.

Can someone remind what kieron said last series?

Watching Uncloaked now and Ash says she didn’t vote for Paul because she still wanted the traitors to win.

I guess she’s a better person than I am…

I wonder how Miles is going to feel/play the game going forward. He must see Paul and Harry as a team and maybe feel left out and therefore their potential next victim?

After Wilf shafted him, he voted for Wilf and said, "Parting gift, mate" and kept staring at him during his departure speech. And Meryl and Aaron still didn't get it!

I don't think Wilf should have been allowed to recruit at that late stage. He was right that the Faithfuls would have clocked that the remaining Traitor would be a man and they should be allowed to clock that sort of thing without being tricked again because it's a proper deduction that they should be rewarded for. Kieran had no real choice because it was that or be murdered.

Thank you!