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THE RECKONING - bbc 1 mon 9th - 9pm and Tue - TV PACE NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 03/10/2023 16:31

There will be four episodes in total, with the second airing at 9pm on Tuesday, October 10.

The third and fourth episodes are likely to air on the following Monday and Tuesday.

The Reckoning stars Steve Coogan as Savile and has spent a long time in production, with a planned release in 2022 reportedly being delayed due to the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

It will trace the life of Savile from a working-class background to one of the biggest stars in television and will also focus on his years of sexual abuse and the impact he had on his victims.

Saville (https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/23729749.bbc-reveal-first-official-image-steve-coogan-jimmy-savile/)
died in October 2011 aged 84 having never been brought to justice for his crimes.

By not talking about it, you don’t get to the nub of that and if you don’t look at it you’re destined for those things to happen again.

The drama answers the question: how did he get away with it?

"The drama answers that question which is a very important one."
The series will also feature interviews with four of Savile's victims.

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SoundTheSirens · 11/10/2023 14:03

upinaballoon · 11/10/2023 13:51

Yes, I did have a look on I Player before I saw this reply from you. Thank you. I know his face as well as anything but of course I can't think what else I've seen him in so I'll have to google that now! The more you find out the more you have to look up. BBC 4 shows old TOTPs sometimes and I glance for 3 seconds before I hop further. I don't know whether JS and JS were still in them by 1984, for instance. They probably do show some from the 60s. If not, I could look on Youtube et cetera.

All the TOTPs with Savile, Dave Lee Travis or a Gary Glitter / Jonathan King / Rolf Harris song were pulled from repeats.

(Also those with Mike Smith as presenter but for completely different reasons; apparently to honour a request in his will not to show his episodes after his death.)

MouseMinge · 12/10/2023 00:39

I had no idea that a young woman had committed suicide after being raped by him. That was shocking and very upsetting. Coogan continues to amaze me, his performance is eerily good.

Re what I thought of him when I was younger. I guess I must have thought he was okay or just a bit odd as a young child but by the time I was 11, 12 at the latest it was clear that he was creepy as fuck. The thing was that he never hid the fact that he was deeply unpleasant and try as he might to be jolly, it was always clear that the only person he really cared about was himself. It was always about him.

swimsong · 12/10/2023 01:11

As a resident, was kinda glad the Scarborough scenes were filmed elsewhere (looked like Aberystwyth but probably a south coast) - apart from a couple of establishing shots. Am wondering why.

Lalgarh · 12/10/2023 08:28

I never liked Savile but I'm not sure if I found him creepy or not. Tragic, yes. Mainly I remember feeling baffled at why you were expecting to watch jim'll fix it just because you were a child

MouseMinge · 12/10/2023 12:56

I forgot to say this bit! By my late teens the gossip that Saville was a necrophiliac and a paedophile were rife. We didn't know that they were true but they had reached 6th form by the 80s. That's the thing I don't understand, that apparently all the people in high places didn't know but it was accepted gossip among the unwashed masses.

x2boys · 12/10/2023 13:17

Lalgarh · 12/10/2023 08:28

I never liked Savile but I'm not sure if I found him creepy or not. Tragic, yes. Mainly I remember feeling baffled at why you were expecting to watch jim'll fix it just because you were a child

Nobody wss expected to.watch jim ill, fixit,but it was popular you might not have liked it, but it ran for nearly 20/years so clearly lots of people did like it including me and most other children I knew of my age .

GellerYeller · 12/10/2023 17:09

@swimsong yes the seafront immediately struck me as wrong although I know it was not supposed to represent the present day. Definitely not the north bay! I’m not local but had happy holidays there when I was a child- we used to go to that side to go on a big slide. I had no idea about the ice cream guy/mayor. I remember their shop well.

ageingdisgracefully · 12/10/2023 17:11

GellerYeller · 12/10/2023 17:09

@swimsong yes the seafront immediately struck me as wrong although I know it was not supposed to represent the present day. Definitely not the north bay! I’m not local but had happy holidays there when I was a child- we used to go to that side to go on a big slide. I had no idea about the ice cream guy/mayor. I remember their shop well.

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I think it's Llandudno.

Meltinthemiddle · 12/10/2023 17:53

Having watched the 3 episodes, I am appalled at how he got away with it. I am also appalled that the BBC have been the ones to make and produce the show when they are the ones who protected him.

TheDogIsInCharge · 12/10/2023 18:25

Meltinthemiddle · 12/10/2023 17:53

Having watched the 3 episodes, I am appalled at how he got away with it. I am also appalled that the BBC have been the ones to make and produce the show when they are the ones who protected him.

ITV made the show. They make a fair few dramas for other broadcasters.

I had the misfortune of having to work with Savile many years ago. To this day, I still don't understand how the male bosses felt it was a good idea to send the youngest female member of production to look after him, alone, in his dressing room. I went to shake his hand and he grabbed it and licked my arm the whole way up. He also was very handsy. Oh and he had a massive hold all and he nicked everything in his dressing room that wasn't nailed down. Grim, disgusting man.

MaudGone · 12/10/2023 18:49

The incident with the girl who killed herself - did that involve Savile, or someone else? I thought it involved a DJ who hadn't been identified yet.

MaudGone · 12/10/2023 18:50

Also, there was a documentary about the police investigation into Ray Teret on the BBC a few years ago, but it doesn't seem to be available any more.

(Ray Teret was the younger man who called Savile "father").

Lalgarh · 12/10/2023 20:49

MaudGone · 12/10/2023 18:49

The incident with the girl who killed herself - did that involve Savile, or someone else? I thought it involved a DJ who hadn't been identified yet.

It's approximately based on the case of a dancer on Top of The Pops who killed herself and said she'd been molested by "a popular DJ" and others. Details in the spoiler thread

YokoOnosBigHat · 12/10/2023 21:07

I'm slightly too young to remember the "golden age of light entertainment" of his heyday, so only ever knew of him peripherally until Louis Theroux aired when I was in my early teens. It was very clear from that that documentary that there was something hugely wrong with him. I perhaps didn't understand quite how wrong, but I was in no doubt that this was a man who was deeply strange and hugely sinister. He is openly cruel and abusive to Theroux on screen FFS, God knows what he was like when the cameras weren't rolling.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 12/10/2023 21:58

Jim'll Fix It was really popular because kids got to do some incredible things, for the time. Unfortunately they also got to meet JS.

Aquarius1234 · 12/10/2023 22:23

This would have been rubbish on ITV.
The filming and acting is top notch.
Apart from Coogan not looking nearly as ugly enough.

Aquarius1234 · 12/10/2023 22:28

The BBC do the same thing now with so called Talent ! You see someone on TV that gets popular the BBC pouches them and puts them on every show for years till will get sick of them.
Only luckily now we get bored quicker!
It's so sad how desperate they are.
They even gave Gemma Collins a podcast.
Giving Rylan every show going couple years ago.
Paying Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton crazy salaries. Chris Evans. List is endless.

Sleepimpossible · 12/10/2023 22:35

Me too

Sleepimpossible · 12/10/2023 22:37

Sorry, as in reply to agingdisgracefully: I also thought it was Llandudno.

TheDogIsInCharge · 12/10/2023 23:30

Aquarius1234 · 12/10/2023 22:23

This would have been rubbish on ITV.
The filming and acting is top notch.
Apart from Coogan not looking nearly as ugly enough.

Why would have it been rubbish on ITV? 'The Reckoning' was made by ITV. Commissioned by BBC but made by ITV. Just like ITV Studios make Line of Duty, Schitts Creek, Queer Eye, The Serpent etc etc

Aquarius1234 · 12/10/2023 23:39

Maybe so but things are never quite as gritty on ITV. Yes I've watched a variety of crime drama on both.
Just imo.

MouseMinge · 13/10/2023 02:16

The Long Shadow was well done and that was on itv. I hardly ever watch itv but TLS made me rethink my snobbishness. There were aspects of the show that disappointed me because I felt that despite saying it would be centered on the victims it really wasn't.

The fact that itv produced this show means it would have been as good whatever channel or screening service it was on. The only difference being that if it was on itv there would have been ads.

Daffodilwoman · 13/10/2023 07:38

Thinking about it now Saville clearly created a persona to cover up his real self.
I believe the same was true of Michael Jackson. A kind of I don’t want to get married, I’m too wacky and crazy. I’m like a child I am ( insert childish fake voice or silly Tarzan noise.)
Same for Gary Glitter probably, although I believe he was married.
A kind of ‘hey I’m so odd/strange/special that societies rules don’t apply to me. You don’t need to worry cos hey I’m daft and out if this world.’

EfficientlyDecluttering · 13/10/2023 07:46

Ad breaks would have broken the tension, but it is good that ITV produced it not BBC themselves given their role in the whole thing, I read that that was very carefully considered.

I think I just though he was weird and a bit unpleasant in the mid 80s when I was a teen. His huge tacky chair on Jim’ll Fix It and those big medallions the children got given (probably so he could lean over them as he put them round their necks). I remember two girls from my year being on TOTP, I video’d it and you could see them dancing behind the DJ, the whole school was buzzing. I also remember going to the Radio 1 Roadshow and the DJ (not Savile) walking out into the audience and picking up (literally carrying) pretty young girls in bikinis back to the stage. Grim.

Debbiedebt · 13/10/2023 08:02

I watched episode 3 last night (no spoilers don't worry). Just wanted to mention how much I've watched as it still doesn't feel real that this sort of horror could have been so accepted / known about Its just horrific and to think student nurses were warned ? Vile. I didn't think he was sinister as a child. Just thought he was a bit weird. I wouldn't have wanted to be near him but only because he was strange. Didn't think "danger danger". I fear it's still going on