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THE RECKONING - bbc 1 mon 9th - 9pm and Tue - TV PACE NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 03/10/2023 16:31

There will be four episodes in total, with the second airing at 9pm on Tuesday, October 10.

The third and fourth episodes are likely to air on the following Monday and Tuesday.

The Reckoning stars Steve Coogan as Savile and has spent a long time in production, with a planned release in 2022 reportedly being delayed due to the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

It will trace the life of Savile from a working-class background to one of the biggest stars in television and will also focus on his years of sexual abuse and the impact he had on his victims.

Saville (https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/23729749.bbc-reveal-first-official-image-steve-coogan-jimmy-savile/)
died in October 2011 aged 84 having never been brought to justice for his crimes.

By not talking about it, you don’t get to the nub of that and if you don’t look at it you’re destined for those things to happen again.

The drama answers the question: how did he get away with it?

"The drama answers that question which is a very important one."
The series will also feature interviews with four of Savile's victims.

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Ramalangadingdong · 10/10/2023 20:46

Moonmelodies · 10/10/2023 19:18

It was clever how they switched to and from the 'present' with the interviewer and the past of his life.
Very much a case of now/then now/then now/then.

Moon, that is a very bad joke (so bad it’s funny).

OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 20:47

Just watched episode 1. Wow. Kept forgetting it was Coogan. Slightly irritated at the people who were shown as suspicious of him right from the start.

Ramalangadingdong · 10/10/2023 20:48

Catmuffin · 10/10/2023 10:48

I like the strong focus on the victims. I thought that was well done in episode 1 (and hopefully others too.)

I actually don’t think it was strong enough. I wanted to know about their lives and how/if they ever got over it - but perhaps that will come in later episodes.

MouseMinge · 10/10/2023 20:55

Having read the piece by Lawson that was linked further up I can well believe that people had doubts about him from early on that were ignored. At the beginning he was a violent bully and he was preying on young girls at discos who would have been seen as fair game back then. As time went on he got more and more power and became almost untouchable because he had friends in very, very high places. Lawson made a complaint and nothing happened and that was in this century.

I doubt it was possible to be around him and not get creepy, something's nor right with him, vibes.

Hellendegenerate · 10/10/2023 20:55

@Ramalangadingdong

now then now then

😁😁😁😁

OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 21:06

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/10/2023 19:38

Can anyone tell me, in episode two the agent comes to his van and says Bill wants to see them. The agent looks at something in the van and I can't tell what it is. Does anyone know?

Surgical spirit and condoms

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/10/2023 21:09

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/10/2023 19:38

Can anyone tell me, in episode two the agent comes to his van and says Bill wants to see them. The agent looks at something in the van and I can't tell what it is. Does anyone know?

E2 has just started on bbc1 now

R.E.M. tv paced please

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OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 21:12

@Blondeshavemorefun I'm so sorry! Report and get it deleted if you like, I don't think it's a spoiler really if that helps. Sorry x

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/10/2023 21:18

If you struggle only Makes it worse

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Blondeshavemorefun · 10/10/2023 21:18

OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 21:12

@Blondeshavemorefun I'm so sorry! Report and get it deleted if you like, I don't think it's a spoiler really if that helps. Sorry x

It's been on now

But when post was written at 7.30 I hadn't seen it

So don't worry about reporting /deleting

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OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 21:26

Ah thanks for letting me know. It's so awful and well acted isn't it

Saucery · 10/10/2023 21:31

That was a tough watch. Sensitively done, though. Wonder if Steve Coogan ever thought he’d be playing the true JS all those years ago when he was doing his impressions of him?

LGI · 10/10/2023 21:36

i was a student nurse in the late 80's early 90's at the LGI.

the LGI never truly accepted culpability for their enablement of JS.

I was in a senior safeguarding role when they shared their 'independent' report commissioned to a husband (ex copper) and wife (ex nurse) team who aimed to keep their relationship quiet. There was a practitioners event and there were revelations that The Reckoning never even touched on.

we were warned as we moved into the nurses home as teenagers how to avoid him, how to double lock your door and leave the old iron keys in to prevent him gaining access as it was well known he had a master key. it was even 'helpfully' suggested we could always pop a chair under the handle if we wanted an extra layer of security.

we knew which sisters on the children's wards who would give him short shrift if he turned up and would get grief from managers
as a result. we knew which sisters were weaker and accepted his visits but tried to keep a close eye on the children but ultimately didn't protect.

we knew never to be on our own and to spot others who may be vulnerable to his behaviours. but then what did we do? because no one was interested in our complaints.

we knew he had access to the mortuary. we knew that portering and security handed over keys and later electronic access passes either willingly as drawn in or reluctantly because of pressure from above but the access was given.

i'm my safeguarding role for one Trust, I documented the first accounts/testimony's of 3 of his victims before referring to the investigating bodies. Harrowing and i will never forget the story's and their lifetime of heartache.

The BBC got off lightly in this but the LGI absolutely have not been held to account. Their early adoption of his voluntary role gave him credibility and acceptance that would lead him to all the other NHS trusts in due course.

i think he focussed on stoke Mandeville because he spotted an opportunity to shine, some very vulnerable and immobile patients and the proximity to the south east which enabled his relationship with thatcher and royals. Leeds was a bit of a trek then.

this drama has dredged up so much of my past dilemmas from over 30 years ago and made me question my career in many ways. no way comparable to true victims of his heinous crimes at all but i'm just trying to show that his behaviours affected so many far and wide.

steve coogan deserves a medal as big as a frying pan for taking the role on and making it work the way he has. i think it could easily have been an 8 parter with deeper dives.

Lalgarh · 10/10/2023 21:46

Note that the script gets to take a dig at the preferences that others had at the time, that comment about David Bowie and John Peel

EfficientlyDecluttering · 10/10/2023 22:11

I've just watched episode 1. Brilliant but harrowing. The likeness is uncanny, both the voice and the appearance, huge respect to Steve Coogan for taking this role.

OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 22:38

Lalgarh · 10/10/2023 21:46

Note that the script gets to take a dig at the preferences that others had at the time, that comment about David Bowie and John Peel

I noticed that. It's true, Bowie has never had the same level of disgust as others have.

upinaballoon · 10/10/2023 22:46

Lalgarh · 10/10/2023 21:46

Note that the script gets to take a dig at the preferences that others had at the time, that comment about David Bowie and John Peel

Duly noted.

YokoOnosBigHat · 11/10/2023 00:19

LGI · 10/10/2023 21:36

i was a student nurse in the late 80's early 90's at the LGI.

the LGI never truly accepted culpability for their enablement of JS.

I was in a senior safeguarding role when they shared their 'independent' report commissioned to a husband (ex copper) and wife (ex nurse) team who aimed to keep their relationship quiet. There was a practitioners event and there were revelations that The Reckoning never even touched on.

we were warned as we moved into the nurses home as teenagers how to avoid him, how to double lock your door and leave the old iron keys in to prevent him gaining access as it was well known he had a master key. it was even 'helpfully' suggested we could always pop a chair under the handle if we wanted an extra layer of security.

we knew which sisters on the children's wards who would give him short shrift if he turned up and would get grief from managers
as a result. we knew which sisters were weaker and accepted his visits but tried to keep a close eye on the children but ultimately didn't protect.

we knew never to be on our own and to spot others who may be vulnerable to his behaviours. but then what did we do? because no one was interested in our complaints.

we knew he had access to the mortuary. we knew that portering and security handed over keys and later electronic access passes either willingly as drawn in or reluctantly because of pressure from above but the access was given.

i'm my safeguarding role for one Trust, I documented the first accounts/testimony's of 3 of his victims before referring to the investigating bodies. Harrowing and i will never forget the story's and their lifetime of heartache.

The BBC got off lightly in this but the LGI absolutely have not been held to account. Their early adoption of his voluntary role gave him credibility and acceptance that would lead him to all the other NHS trusts in due course.

i think he focussed on stoke Mandeville because he spotted an opportunity to shine, some very vulnerable and immobile patients and the proximity to the south east which enabled his relationship with thatcher and royals. Leeds was a bit of a trek then.

this drama has dredged up so much of my past dilemmas from over 30 years ago and made me question my career in many ways. no way comparable to true victims of his heinous crimes at all but i'm just trying to show that his behaviours affected so many far and wide.

steve coogan deserves a medal as big as a frying pan for taking the role on and making it work the way he has. i think it could easily have been an 8 parter with deeper dives.

Thanks for sharing this- I'm so sorry that you had to work as a young woman in that level of fear and always looking over your shoulder. What on Earth were management thinking? Was it just about prestige? Was it a money making opportunity for them? What was their ultimate motivation for letting him do as he pleased?

YokoOnosBigHat · 11/10/2023 00:22

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/10/2023 19:38

Can anyone tell me, in episode two the agent comes to his van and says Bill wants to see them. The agent looks at something in the van and I can't tell what it is. Does anyone know?

We have a spoilery one over here for the impatient amongst us! Come on in, the waters lovely!

YokoOnosBigHat · 11/10/2023 00:25

OneFrenchEgg · 10/10/2023 20:47

Just watched episode 1. Wow. Kept forgetting it was Coogan. Slightly irritated at the people who were shown as suspicious of him right from the start.

I dunno- my dad, who was 16 then, to Savile's 35ish- met him in 1959 and said he was a sleaze ball supreme and sinister as fuck. He was sexually wrong with the girls and violent wrong with the boys... lots of trying to fight inappropriately young lads or getting his bouncers to do it for him for perceived slights. I think it was quite clearly quite early that he wasn't right.

YokoOnosBigHat · 11/10/2023 00:30

LadyEloise1 · 10/10/2023 17:46

I know Steve Coogan isn't very popular but I thought he was great in the movie Philomena, he also co wrote the screenplay. It was based on a book.
It helped open people's eyes (to a wider audience) to what happened in Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland.

Another vote for Steve Coogan! I know he's been a bit of a twat in the past with coke and lapdancers (and Courtney Love) but I think he's sorted that shit out now and he's politically very right-thinking as far as I'm concerned. Love pretty much everything he's ever done and was also at Stratagem last year. Aha!

Pastryapronsucks · 11/10/2023 00:50

Absolutely, reading some of the comments on social media threads about the other celebrity. There is so much victim blaming, and conspiracy theory, and yet I bet those same people would froth at the mouth about 'Paedo Saville".

Rummikub · 11/10/2023 02:06

Just watched episode 1 and instantly searched for a thread. Agree it is compelling and shocking.

I am stunned that he got away with all this. And he was
known at Radio Luxembourg but the bbc still took him on.

@LGI your post is shocking. I cannot understand how he had all that access and staff were told how to protect themselves.
Awful time to be working there.

I remember watching an interview with Johnny Rotten who described Saville as a horrible man. The delivery of what he said sounded so factual that I didn’t doubt it.

Agree with everyone else SC performance is incredibly unnerving.

Oriunda · 11/10/2023 07:40

@Readingineading you can use a VPN. That’s how I watch BBC and ITV. Unfortunately C4/5 use super strong geoblockers.