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THE GIRL FROM PLAINVILLE - wed and thur 10pm ch 4 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 26/07/2023 20:52

TRIGGER

SUICIDE

This is based on true life events

will be shown on wed and thur x 4w

warning for those who may be effected so don’t read/watch

Michelle Carter was a teenager living in the eponymous middle-class suburb Plainville in Massachusetts, when she struck up a long-distance relationship with Conrad Roy, another teen who lived an hour away and who, like her, experienced mental health struggles.

Two years later on 13th July 2014, 18-year-old Conrad Roy died by suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning in his truck.

Carter, then 17-years-old, contacted Roy's mother (who was only vaguely aware that Roy had had a girlfriend prior to his death), before introducing herself to Roy's family at his memorial.

Less than a year later in February 2015, Carter would be indicted for the involuntary manslaughter of Conrad Roy, after his phone – and the text messages exchanged with Carter – was discovered by the police.

The unprecedented 'texting-suicide' case proved a landmark one, as it was the first time a person went on trial for manslaughter via text message.

As detailed by Esquire (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a57125/michelle-carter-trial/), the judge was presented with 317 pages of messages between Michelle Carter and Conrad Roy. The latter frequently brought up the topic of suicide, but Carter did not attempt to dissuade
her then-boyfriend from death by suicide – in fact, quite the reverse.

If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it," she wrote in one message (via CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/text-message-suicide-michelle-carter-conrad-roy/index.html)).

On the evening of the 12th July 2014, shortly before Conrad Roy's death, he had two phone calls with Carter.

Although detectives had no record of what was said during the phone calls, they tracked down a text message Carter sent to a friend, in which Carter appeared to confess to encouraging Conrad Roy to climb back into his truck.

"I could have stopped him," the text read. "I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car because it was working and he got scared and I fking told him
to get back in. I could of stopped him but I f
king didnt. All I had to say was I love you [sic].

Following a two-week trial, Judge Lawrence Moniz declared Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary manslaughter, stating that her "failure to act [and prevent Conrad Roy's death], where she had a self-created duty, constituted each and all wanton and reckless conduct".

Carter was sentenced to two and a half years of prison time and five years of probation. The case was subsequently the subject of HBO documentary I Love You, Now Die: The Commonwealth vs Michelle Carter.

Carter was released in January 2020 – just over three months early due to good behaviour – while her probation period ended in August 2022.

Did Words Kill? Behind the Scenes of the Shocking Michelle Carter Verdict

Earlier this year, a young woman from a small town in Massachusetts stood trial for homicide. Prosecutors argued that her calls and texts fueled her boyfriend's suicide. The verdict answered the question of whether speech alone was enough to make her g...

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a57125/michelle-carter-trial/),

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ageingdisgracefully · 15/08/2023 20:11

It's on Prime I think (not free though).

Blondeshavemorefun · 17/08/2023 05:27

So what do we think of last nights conclusion

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Freshair1 · 17/08/2023 07:16

Blondeshavemorefun · 17/08/2023 05:27

So what do we think of last nights conclusion

Is it on More4? Will watch later if it is.

ageingdisgracefully · 17/08/2023 07:58

Blondeshavemorefun · 17/08/2023 05:27

So what do we think of last nights conclusion

I found it tedious, to be honest. I'm glad I'd seen the documentary because I found it utterly confusing. I didn't know which bits were real and which were imagined.

I felt that the programme makers were trying to show Michelle in too sympathetic a light.

For me, I think it's pretty clear she goaded Conrad into suicide. She knew he was suicidal and took advantage. Whatever her motives and issues were, there's no excuse for her actions. She knew what she was doing.

I have no idea what the expert witness meant by "involuntary intoxication" . 🤔

As far as I can recall, a vital part of the defence's case centered on Michelle telling Conrad to "get back in the car". Did she? As far as I can recall, she told her friend that she had, but there's no other evidence (ie no texts or recordings of calls made directly to Conrad).

lazymum99 · 17/08/2023 08:44

I haven’t watched it yet but seen the documentary. I thought ‘involuntary intoxication’ meant that she had a reaction to her prescribed medication (anti depressants).
she said she never said that about getting out of the car but made it up in a text to her friend. All such a mess.
Two very disturbed young people.
what I couldn’t work out is if they met at all in person after Florida. The real and not real bits are just confusing

ageingdisgracefully · 17/08/2023 10:01

That makes sense about involuntary intoxication. I must've nodded off at that bit!

I think they met perhaps twice after Florida. It must have been a strange relationship but perhaps those text-based relationships are increasingly common like a pp on this thread suggests?

Freshair1 · 17/08/2023 10:19

ageingdisgracefully · 17/08/2023 10:01

That makes sense about involuntary intoxication. I must've nodded off at that bit!

I think they met perhaps twice after Florida. It must have been a strange relationship but perhaps those text-based relationships are increasingly common like a pp on this thread suggests?

Yup. I remember pretty intense Comms via MSN messenger back in the day. Easy to mistake quick intimacy and confidences for an actual real life connection.

Freshair1 · 17/08/2023 10:23

lazymum99 · 17/08/2023 08:44

I haven’t watched it yet but seen the documentary. I thought ‘involuntary intoxication’ meant that she had a reaction to her prescribed medication (anti depressants).
she said she never said that about getting out of the car but made it up in a text to her friend. All such a mess.
Two very disturbed young people.
what I couldn’t work out is if they met at all in person after Florida. The real and not real bits are just confusing

The blurred line between fantasy and reality is the point.

DSDaisy · 17/08/2023 10:26

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butterpuffed · 17/08/2023 16:17

I'm not really sure what to think of this as so much was dramatisation , although I assume what happened in the courtroom was what was actually said .

Freshair1 · 17/08/2023 16:40

I think the final episode captured life inside the girl's head. Right down to construction a whole inner world inside her head, which was the bar. Her protective mechanisms failed at the last when the boy showed up. I liked the foreshadowing with the red rights. I thought it was poetic how the girl's idealised Christmas lights were juxtaposed against the Christmas lights still hanging on the boy's house where we saw a better, warmer relationship between Conrad's parents.
It absolutely is a crystal clear warning about the use of phones, technology and drugs in the lives of (in this case) extremely troubled teenagers. I enjoyed it. I liked ultimately that the show merged together their communications (shown as physically together even when texting), the girl's inner turmoil. She made really bad choices. I wonder what she will make of her life now?

DSDaisy · 17/08/2023 23:13

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purpleme12 · 18/08/2023 01:49

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In my experience lawyers don't care

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/08/2023 08:00

I think she meant him to kill his elf

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butterpuffed · 18/08/2023 08:42

I think she did too ~ but only because of him talking about it constantly for years, she capitulated as she was so vulnerable .

Freshair1 · 18/08/2023 08:49

His elf? Haha. Yep. I think she basically got so sucked into the spiral of constant suicide discussions that it didn't register than simply texting get back in (if she did, there's no evidence) would result in a physical consequence.

purpleme12 · 18/08/2023 22:55

So I looked at the actual documentary but you have to pay to watch it 😞

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/08/2023 23:32

I have thought about documentary but tbh after 8hrs of this i cba

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purpleme12 · 18/08/2023 23:44

This programme wasn't riveting I agree.

I'd be interested to watch the documentary though to see the reality.

butterpuffed · 19/08/2023 08:43

I started to read the link sent in here with more details and background . It was very interesting but went on forever so I never finished it .

ageingdisgracefully · 19/08/2023 10:23

@purpleme12 I think the doc is on YouTube.

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 10:36

Well that's 8 hours of my life I'll never get back. Seriously, if anyone reading this thread hasn't watched yet and is interested, just watch the 2-hour documentary instead. There are no imagined scenarios, no dramatisations of what were text exchanges between Michelle and Conrad, no dance sequences. Honestly, the who thing was a mess, in retrospect. And the final 'Christmas' scenes, where the director imagined how Michelle's life might have turned out if she'd never met Conrad? FFS!

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 10:38

Correction: not 'never met Conrad', but he'd never got back in touch with her after ghosting her after their initial meeting. I mean, having sat through this crap, I bloody wish he'd never got back in touch either!!

ageingdisgracefully · 19/08/2023 10:52

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 10:36

Well that's 8 hours of my life I'll never get back. Seriously, if anyone reading this thread hasn't watched yet and is interested, just watch the 2-hour documentary instead. There are no imagined scenarios, no dramatisations of what were text exchanges between Michelle and Conrad, no dance sequences. Honestly, the who thing was a mess, in retrospect. And the final 'Christmas' scenes, where the director imagined how Michelle's life might have turned out if she'd never met Conrad? FFS!

I'm just about to watch a YouTube doc called "Death by Text" which may be of interest.

purpleme12 · 19/08/2023 10:53

Is the documentary that previous posters mentioned earlier called
Death By Text?
Or I Love You Now Die?
What is the best?