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THE GIRL FROM PLAINVILLE - wed and thur 10pm ch 4 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 26/07/2023 20:52

TRIGGER

SUICIDE

This is based on true life events

will be shown on wed and thur x 4w

warning for those who may be effected so don’t read/watch

Michelle Carter was a teenager living in the eponymous middle-class suburb Plainville in Massachusetts, when she struck up a long-distance relationship with Conrad Roy, another teen who lived an hour away and who, like her, experienced mental health struggles.

Two years later on 13th July 2014, 18-year-old Conrad Roy died by suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning in his truck.

Carter, then 17-years-old, contacted Roy's mother (who was only vaguely aware that Roy had had a girlfriend prior to his death), before introducing herself to Roy's family at his memorial.

Less than a year later in February 2015, Carter would be indicted for the involuntary manslaughter of Conrad Roy, after his phone – and the text messages exchanged with Carter – was discovered by the police.

The unprecedented 'texting-suicide' case proved a landmark one, as it was the first time a person went on trial for manslaughter via text message.

As detailed by Esquire (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a57125/michelle-carter-trial/), the judge was presented with 317 pages of messages between Michelle Carter and Conrad Roy. The latter frequently brought up the topic of suicide, but Carter did not attempt to dissuade
her then-boyfriend from death by suicide – in fact, quite the reverse.

If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it," she wrote in one message (via CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/text-message-suicide-michelle-carter-conrad-roy/index.html)).

On the evening of the 12th July 2014, shortly before Conrad Roy's death, he had two phone calls with Carter.

Although detectives had no record of what was said during the phone calls, they tracked down a text message Carter sent to a friend, in which Carter appeared to confess to encouraging Conrad Roy to climb back into his truck.

"I could have stopped him," the text read. "I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car because it was working and he got scared and I fking told him
to get back in. I could of stopped him but I f
king didnt. All I had to say was I love you [sic].

Following a two-week trial, Judge Lawrence Moniz declared Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary manslaughter, stating that her "failure to act [and prevent Conrad Roy's death], where she had a self-created duty, constituted each and all wanton and reckless conduct".

Carter was sentenced to two and a half years of prison time and five years of probation. The case was subsequently the subject of HBO documentary I Love You, Now Die: The Commonwealth vs Michelle Carter.

Carter was released in January 2020 – just over three months early due to good behaviour – while her probation period ended in August 2022.

Did Words Kill? Behind the Scenes of the Shocking Michelle Carter Verdict

Earlier this year, a young woman from a small town in Massachusetts stood trial for homicide. Prosecutors argued that her calls and texts fueled her boyfriend's suicide. The verdict answered the question of whether speech alone was enough to make her g...

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a57125/michelle-carter-trial/),

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ageingdisgracefully · 03/08/2023 19:15

I hope the programme does justice (no pun intended) to the legal aspects of the case. Fascinating stuff.

I've been down a rabbit hole on Reddit and there's plenty of interesting debate there too.

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/08/2023 21:52

So do we think she did push him to kill hisself

Or she is mis understood

Or he has issues

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AquamarineGlass · 03/08/2023 21:56

I think he definitely had psychological issues whereby suicide was something he was contemplating anyway.

But she pushed him to it. Probably not to the extent she could be found criminally guilty.

And she obviously has pretty big issues too...histrionic personality disorder or similar.

I haven't read anything just basing this on first three episodes.

I do feel the show probably won't help her wherever she is now...but I am looking forward to the episode tonight anyway (somewhat guiltily!)

JaneJeffer · 03/08/2023 22:06

The bit where she was playing basketball and he turned up, was that real or were they just texting? That scene confused me because her friend showed up and she was alone and he was sitting on the doorstep.

JaneJeffer · 03/08/2023 22:17

Ok so they're doing it again now. I suppose it's so we don't have to read a load of texts.

JaneJeffer · 03/08/2023 22:32

Ok it has jumped the shark now

AquamarineGlass · 03/08/2023 22:57

What was it they meant when they said they knew the real reason he killed himself and the jury couldn't see it????

Roussette · 03/08/2023 23:00

AquamarineGlass · 03/08/2023 22:57

What was it they meant when they said they knew the real reason he killed himself and the jury couldn't see it????

They showed a file on his Dad who had attacked him and was on probation, meaning Conrad could've taken his life because of the fight they had

purpleme12 · 03/08/2023 23:00

AquamarineGlass · 03/08/2023 22:57

What was it they meant when they said they knew the real reason he killed himself and the jury couldn't see it????

Presumably they were saying his dad was contributing to his depressed state because he hit him once that we know of.

So the other solicitor will say he killed himself because of his dad and not because of Michelle at all. And so they were saying we can't let people see this as it will put doubt in their minds as to whether it was Michelle's fault

AquamarineGlass · 03/08/2023 23:09

Oh thanks!!! I took my eyes off the screen for a second! They do seem determined to pin it on Michelle!

ageingdisgracefully · 03/08/2023 23:12

I'm not sure which scenes are real and which are imaginary. A bit weird this week.

JaneJeffer · 03/08/2023 23:19

It all back and forth and getting very confusing!

ageingdisgracefully · 04/08/2023 06:50

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/08/2023 21:52

So do we think she did push him to kill hisself

Or she is mis understood

Or he has issues

I think it's going to be difficult to cover everything in the remaining episodes.

I think she did push him to kill himself, yes. She was very disturbed and so was he. She noted his suicidal tendencies and used them to live out her fantasies. Coco's death gave her the opportunity to play the part of the grieving teenage widow. It was an irresistable opportunity for her.

Blondeshavemorefun · 04/08/2023 08:51

She's def enjoying the grieving

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butterpuffed · 04/08/2023 11:20

I think it's going to be difficult to cover everything in the remaining episodes.

I said there were six earlier on but there are eight so we're only halfway through .

ageingdisgracefully · 04/08/2023 12:15

butterpuffed · 04/08/2023 11:20

I think it's going to be difficult to cover everything in the remaining episodes.

I said there were six earlier on but there are eight so we're only halfway through .

Ooh that makes more sense.

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/08/2023 19:51

E5 tonight - does seem a little long winded

Not sure how will make it 8hrs

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ageingdisgracefully · 09/08/2023 23:21

I'm still getting confused with the timelines.

Why is she being tried by a judge and not a jury?

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/08/2023 12:43

Your guess is as good as mine @ageingdisgracefully

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lazymum99 · 10/08/2023 13:08

@Blondeshavemorefun @ageingdisgracefully I watched the documentary last week. Haven’t watched this weeks episodes yet. She had the choice of a jury or just the judge and chose or was advised to choose no jury

lazymum99 · 10/08/2023 13:12

The documentary on Sky is really good. Gives a different perspective on it all

purpleme12 · 10/08/2023 23:01

I've just watched episode 5 - whose funeral was it that they both went to? Did I miss that?

ageingdisgracefully · 10/08/2023 23:08

purpleme12 · 10/08/2023 23:01

I've just watched episode 5 - whose funeral was it that they both went to? Did I miss that?

I thought it was Carter's grandmother's but it wasn't particularly clear.

Blondeshavemorefun · 11/08/2023 06:31

Yes I thought granny

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pilates · 11/08/2023 06:49

Do you think she did love him or was it all fake and she just enjoyed controlling him?

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