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Rotormotor · 02/06/2023 17:03

Late to this… persevered through it but god, it’s awful. Miranda is sooo annoying. All the woke stuff is just so trite.

I am kind of interested in Carrie’s storyline so will watch to the end but I’m not sure why!

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SmurfetteSalad · 23/06/2023 06:27

What channel is it on?
I might join the hate watchers!

Lottapianos · 23/06/2023 06:35

'Would have liked a longer scene for Carrie's dress.'

Me too! Wanted a nice long shot of her walking down the street. Loved Lisa's red dress with the ten mile long train but just couldn't cope with the headpiece 😁

Theres a review in the Guardian written by a young man, who has given it 4 stars, and talks about how brilliant Charlotte's storylines are in particular. Ok then.....

heartofglass23 · 23/06/2023 06:55

As a big SATC fan, had to watch.

Pros
Red dress
Racial diversity
Realistic sullen teens
Harry struggling to walk
Rose criticing the patriarchal fashion industry

Cons
Charlottes filler
Carries squeaky voice
The strap on
The full frontal- surely she'd have hair??
The whole Miranda lesbian thing doesn't fit when they did an episode on it in the original series.
I don't need to watch a 50 something learn how to poach an egg.
Continuing with Rose as 'rock'
They are all so wealthy without appearing to do any work- not the ethos of SATC at all

DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy · 23/06/2023 07:16

There is no way in a million years Miranda would have said ' I'm finding it hard to fill my days.' Remember her reaction to Carries news that she was moving to Paris? 'What are you going to do all day? Wander round the streets eating croissants???' ( I loved her delivery of that line.) Now here we are. Miranda is a simpering insecure idiot. It's madness.

tribpot · 23/06/2023 07:27

Agreed. Apart from anything else, Miranda's still in her own country. Does she really no know anyone in LA? Why doesn't she find some work? Or work remotely? Why doesn't she have a car?

thebellagio · 23/06/2023 09:36

I haven't watched the second episode yet, just the first

The beginning - a bit cringe, although I kinda liked the juxtaposition of the lady alone, although for the life of me I cannot remember her name. Shes so forgettable.

The outfits - AMAZING. Thats what I watch it for. I actually loved the storyline of going to the Met Gala because these ladies absolutely would be going to the Met. I just wish there had been perhaps footage of them actually going up the steps - they could have filmed that for sure. Especially with the relationship SJP has with Anna Wintour...

Miranda just needs to fuck off. In the initial series a) she knew that she wasn't a lesbian and b) when she visited her friend in LA (series 3 i think?) she was adamant that LA wasn't for her, and how LA had turned her friend into someone with an eating disorder. And as @DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy says, she was so disdainful of Carrie moving to Paris for those exact reasons.

Che. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. The fact that the literal opening sentence was "I'm Che Diaz and I'm non binary" - was that supposed to be a nod to the audience and a wink wink that everyone complained about that being her sole topic of choice last season? Was the delivery off or was it them lecturing the audience again? I couldn't tell. And if you've got a character who is a stand up - get a literal stand up comedian to do the writing please. Because it was awful - followed by the awful line from the man after who said "I'm a white guy, I guess there's not room for me in your show..." It just comes across as so aggressive and it doesn't have to be.

Seema and Anthony. Thank god for them. I want a Seema and Anthony spin off where we just get them eating/drinking/smoking/bitching and none of theothers.

The fact that now Carrie is the only tolerable one screams volumes about everyone else.

Wishimaywishimight · 23/06/2023 09:40

Did Miranda give up her career completely? She is half the person she used to be - trailing after a partner, desperate for attention, trying to fill her days with charity work. Such a shame for the character.

I can hardly remember how those extra characters came about last series. The one whose husband is talking about a surrogate baby, the other one with a load of kids and the third one whose storyline centred around her hairdresser. They add nothing to the story at all.

Charlotte continues to look like a more demented version of her old self.

Harry looks sad and a little ill, probably wondering why on earth he didn't "do a Big' and bow out early on.

Loved the clothes. Loved Anthony. I'll watch another episode but if it's all as tragically dull and disappointing as last night I think I'll stop watching and just pretend it never happened.

Lentilweaver · 23/06/2023 09:46

In S 1, I thought all the brown and black women were support animals for the main 3. Is that still the way?

By their 50s, they should all be at the top of their careers instead of trailing partners and being tiger mums. What do any of them DO?

tribpot · 23/06/2023 10:22

So Miranda gave up work at the start of S1 to do her Master's degree (with Nya). Has she finished that? If so, WTF was it for?

Charlotte we know has never had a proper job, she has just wafted around being rich and married to rich men, so I think her current arc is somewhat believable, except that she would be much busier on the New York social scene than she appears to be. She'd be on charity boards and organising fundraisers and so on.

Carrie of course has always had the ability to exist without appearing to do very much work. She is presumably getting paid for the podcast but also presumably inherited Big's vast wealth as well.

@Lentilweaver I think the new characters are beginning to establish themselves as more than just support.

Lentilweaver · 23/06/2023 10:40

I hated the way 50 something women in S 1 did not know what a podcast was. FFS.

Eccle80 · 23/06/2023 10:47

The fashion as ever is great (the pigeon bag!), loved the Met outfits and wish we’d seen a bit more of them. Che seems to have fractionally more characterisation than the first series, but I agree with you all that Miranda is behaving in a completely non Miranda way. Is she in LA permanently? And if so why isn’t she making an effort to do more than hang around at Che’s house. Though from the trailer it looks like she ends up back in NY at some point.

I’m not that keen on Seema, I quite like Nya and potentially has a more interesting story than the other new characters in terms of the fertility issues and marriage breakdown, but with so many characters now it feels like they don’t have enough time to develop them all.

Ridemeginger · 23/06/2023 10:53

Miranda was always about her career and self reliance as a woman. She used to rail against the others for relying on or giving things up for a man/marriage. She was vehemently against Charlotte giving up work to be a Stepford wife to Trey, against Carrie borrowing house deposit money from Big, against Carrie moving to Paris, against all of them putting a man's needs before their own. But in AJLT, she's turned into the trailing spouse of Che, and that's ok because Che is a "they"?

Miranda was also the most conservative of the 4 about sex (yes, even more so than Charlotte, who would do more outre stuff as a man pleaser)and doing things out of her comfort zone - much of the comedy of SATC was the contrast between Sam's complete comfort with anything and everything, and Miranda railing against doing things she didn't want to do (eg. butt licking bloke, dirty talk bloke, outdoor sex bloke, watch h me on the toilet bloke), pushing herself to give it a go, and it backfiring on her in one way or another. Now, post menopausal and pushing 60, we are supposed to be arsed to believe that she's going through sexual liberation, when most women can't be fucking arsed at all. Why's that? Oh simple, because Che is a they, and it's totally different doing all that stuff with a they.

The Miranda of old in the situation of moving to LA would be doing the Californian Bar exams, working in a pro bono law firm and/or studying, not kicking around picking seaweed off the beach. She needs to be free as an emotional support for Che - a role she would not have assumed if Che was a man and not a they.

The old Miranda does not exist. Cynthia Nixon, would be Mayor of NY and so liberal her brain's fallen out is that character now if real life and on screen. And anyone paying attention knows that all the normals need to be support characters for all the theys, this is what they demand: unquestioning, uncritical self sacrificing, trampling our own boundaries, pushing our own comfort zones, validating all their choices.

This is not the SATC of old that, not so much pushed boundaries, as revealed what women already did/talked about frankly with each other to a wide audience. AJLT Miranda is political propaganda, pushing for something that the writers and CN want to exist.

And it's the same with the Rock story. Transed in school behind the parents' back and the parents kicking up the tiniest of stinks before just surrendering to it. That's the utopia of the theys. It's no wonder that the Guardian loves it.

Farmageddon · 23/06/2023 11:08

Whiskeypowers · 22/06/2023 23:39

It’s just a pile of drivel
I remember buying the satc dvds and sitting up watching them with a cocktail and cigarettes

the characters from that series are irreconcilable with these creatures

I agree, I'm so angry with how they have debased these original characters.
How has it come to be that Carrie is the least annoying one?

The movies were bad, this is truly awful. Dear God just let it die already!

Rotormotor · 23/06/2023 11:19

Can’t wait to watch later 😆

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Lottapianos · 23/06/2023 11:53

'Charlotte we know has never had a proper job'

Charlotte was the curator of a very successful art gallery. She gave up her career to marry Trey, despite some staunch opposition from Miranda. Their argument over the phone is one of my favourite SATC scenes ever - it's brilliantly written. Carrie and Samantha were also horrified but bottled it and hid behind 'choosy choice' stuff. Miranda accepted that if course it was Charlotte's choice to dump her career, but thought it was a really stupid one!

Drews · 23/06/2023 12:06

They've brought in too many 'main' characters to replace Samantha. I like Seema and her personality is great. Her interactions with Carrie are charming but Lisa and her family don't really have a connection to the rest of them at all. Why is there a storyline of her husband and his mother in the show? This is a about a group of friends and the conversations they have when they get together but they just all seem to be living their lives and it feels like 5 separate storylines.

NooNakedJacuzziness · 23/06/2023 12:21

Things I could quite happily never witness throughout all eternity - Miranda wearing a strap-on.

StarShapedWindow · 23/06/2023 12:25

I cannot bare Charlotte’s slurring - her ridiculous lips make her sound permanently drunk. It’s all I can hear when she speaks.

Miranda is a completely different character - all her core values have disappeared. She’s become an air headed moron with no confidence or intellect. She was such a brilliant, strong woman. Why does she have to be a weak lesbian? Why can’t she be a badass lesbian?

I love the fashion and interiors and I still love Carries character which has changed but how I’d imagine it might with the confidence that age brings. Why couldn’t they do that to all the characters and still include some new ones?

StarShapedWindow · 23/06/2023 12:25

NooNakedJacuzziness · 23/06/2023 12:21

Things I could quite happily never witness throughout all eternity - Miranda wearing a strap-on.

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Lottapianos · 23/06/2023 12:43

'Things I could quite happily never witness throughout all eternity - Miranda wearing a strap-on.'

Ditto a stark naked Miranda crawling out of some flotation tank. Just, why? Is Cynthia Nixon determined to show that she's proud of her 50-something body? In which case, ok, great, but..... Why???

The 'Che on a diet' conversation also seemed pointless. Were they trying to humanise the character and cut through the arrogance? If so, it really didn't work. And her stand up is still WOEFUL

REP22 · 23/06/2023 12:49

I really love SATC, and it has seem me through some grim times of an evening.

But I really, really can't bring myself to watch this. I think it would be like watching my favourite old building burning slowly to the ground. Probably with my dog trapped inside it.

The great adage of theatre is "always leave your audience wanting more". Probably right.

SheldontheWonderSchlong · 23/06/2023 13:07

Ridemeginger · 23/06/2023 10:53

Miranda was always about her career and self reliance as a woman. She used to rail against the others for relying on or giving things up for a man/marriage. She was vehemently against Charlotte giving up work to be a Stepford wife to Trey, against Carrie borrowing house deposit money from Big, against Carrie moving to Paris, against all of them putting a man's needs before their own. But in AJLT, she's turned into the trailing spouse of Che, and that's ok because Che is a "they"?

Miranda was also the most conservative of the 4 about sex (yes, even more so than Charlotte, who would do more outre stuff as a man pleaser)and doing things out of her comfort zone - much of the comedy of SATC was the contrast between Sam's complete comfort with anything and everything, and Miranda railing against doing things she didn't want to do (eg. butt licking bloke, dirty talk bloke, outdoor sex bloke, watch h me on the toilet bloke), pushing herself to give it a go, and it backfiring on her in one way or another. Now, post menopausal and pushing 60, we are supposed to be arsed to believe that she's going through sexual liberation, when most women can't be fucking arsed at all. Why's that? Oh simple, because Che is a they, and it's totally different doing all that stuff with a they.

The Miranda of old in the situation of moving to LA would be doing the Californian Bar exams, working in a pro bono law firm and/or studying, not kicking around picking seaweed off the beach. She needs to be free as an emotional support for Che - a role she would not have assumed if Che was a man and not a they.

The old Miranda does not exist. Cynthia Nixon, would be Mayor of NY and so liberal her brain's fallen out is that character now if real life and on screen. And anyone paying attention knows that all the normals need to be support characters for all the theys, this is what they demand: unquestioning, uncritical self sacrificing, trampling our own boundaries, pushing our own comfort zones, validating all their choices.

This is not the SATC of old that, not so much pushed boundaries, as revealed what women already did/talked about frankly with each other to a wide audience. AJLT Miranda is political propaganda, pushing for something that the writers and CN want to exist.

And it's the same with the Rock story. Transed in school behind the parents' back and the parents kicking up the tiniest of stinks before just surrendering to it. That's the utopia of the theys. It's no wonder that the Guardian loves it.

Very well said!

StarShapedWindow · 23/06/2023 13:11

@REP22 You’re not missing anything. I’ve just laughed and cried my way through an episode from SATC season 4. AJLT is not a patch on SATC. It’s not even comparable. I think I just loved the original so much I wanted to see all the characters again.

NeedToThinkOfOne · 23/06/2023 13:14

Great post @Ridemeginger

Also PP b) when she visited her friend in LA (series 3 i think?) she was adamant that LA wasn't for her, and how LA had turned her friend into someone with an eating disorder.

Yes, the episode where he chews his meat and spits out, as a weight control method and Miranda reflects on what LA has done to him. The whole episode is them all in LA isn’t it? There’s a smoking scene for Carrie. Oh and -sorry, spoiler if you haven’t yet had the joy of Miranda’s beach clean up to fill both her time and screen time -Che’s ex just happens to be a bartender. Sigh.