HAPPY VALLEY S3 - thread 7 to chat and muse about the last ever episode

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Several people have messaged me to ask if I will do another thread as still all chatting about it

6 is almost full so here you can linked to this one the previous 6

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Yes totally left him alone. Bizarrely he was with the magician Dynamo, they both had tennis rackets with them!

My paternal cousins husband was Dynamo's step father (not a very fine step father I believe). How many steps far removed for TLR does that make me? 😂

If you watched either US or UK traitors you'll know middle aged women did really well in both. And I think it was because they were invisible and no one thought they could do anything!
Its made me think I kind of have a superpower!

Oh my 🔥

Bet Jackie Weaver would have made a brilliant spy

I'm just rewatching season 2.

Am I allowed to share spoilers about things that have dawned on me??
I'm probably way behind and you've all discussed this already.

If not - don't read!

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Alison's son, Daryl, was a result of her being raped by her dad ☹️

He turned out to be damaged, and murdered and maimed the women in the area.

Does this play into Catherine's "resulting from rape = evil" perception, which plagues her about Ryan?

Just re-watched episode 5, series 1. There is a conversation between Catherine and Richard and he says that he doesn’t think TLR is a psychopath, just someone extremely damaged. He grew up without love, in fact it was probably more that that, he was despised. Grew up in squalor and dirt and chaos. On a daily basis. Ryan is different because he is growing up surrounded by love. So he will be different. Richard ends it with “there is a massive, massive difference”. I don’t think TLR is a psychopath - just v damaged. Also - he seems genuinely to love Ryan and from the get go when he finds out he has a son, he goes quite mushy about it all.

Also - he seems genuinely to love Ryan and from the get go when he finds out he has a son, he goes quite mushy about it all. He loves him in his way but doesn't really know how to love.

@CantFindTheBeat I thought Catherine's fear was that he was going to be 'like his father' due to genetics, but then it played out that both TLR and Daryl were a victim of the environment that they were raised in.

I got the impression that Alison and Daryl's father had died but I don't know if it was said how long ago it was, but while clearly Alison loved her DS and raised him well, it could be that he was around in his early years and he continued to abuse Alison and Daryl as well?

I hope you enjoy it

It does make you think about how people managed before the internet.

Paper maps mainly. One of my relatives still does, when he drives somewhere unknown he reads the map and writes a little note in a kind of shorthand that he can check as he goes. The map is put away in the car map pocket and only got out if there is an issue. There is also a fair bit of the sun is over there and we need to head north.

In his younger years he drove from his home in England to Florence like that!

'He loves him in his way but doesn't really know how to love.'

I think he did know how to love his ds. Just as has been said he was a product of his dysfunctional upbringing so he didn't have any boundaries when it came to extreme violence and criminal behaviour.

Yes. I meant he didn't know what loving entails like respecting another person's boundaries or understanding they might have a different point of view.

Sorry was out for the rest of the day yesterday, but everyone is welcome in my spy school - thanks for the book recs and yes @MichaelAndEagle, the older women in Traitors are fascinating aren't they? Particularly Amanda, just flying under the radar with her nice motherly act.

Nah, I don't buy this for a moment. I just re-watched series one and he was dowsing his boy with petrol and about to set him alight within three meetings.

I agree. It's always, all about Tommy. Anything else is secondary. He thinks he loves Ryan, but only on his terms, and when TLR comes first.

I think, too, that it's what having a son represents to him - someone who can be proud of him. Look at his childish glee when asking Ryan if he'd seen him in the court room. How proud TLR was of his (ridiculous) escape - he only wanted Ryan there so he could 'marvel' at his exploits.

... and also, more sinisterly, something that he knows he can use as a weapon against Catherine. The whole 'going to Spain' is as much about taking Ryan away from her as it is about having his son with him.

The whole 'going to Spain' is as much about taking Ryan away from her as it is about having his son with him.

Absolutely-it didn't seem to occur to him that Ryan might not want to go either!

I do think that TLR had to die to absolutely cut that connection.

But that method & in front of Catherine!

Shame he couldn't have "bled out"!

I tgot the impression that Alison's father was around and from what she said to Catherine, Daryl had picked up that he was the product of an incestuous rape. He also had special needs, I think, and was probably abused at home by his grand/father and was certainly bullied and made fun of at school. I think Alison kept him at home after her father's death so that she could protect him as much as possible.

It is possible - maybe even likely - that he saw/heard his mother being raped repeatedly, and heard her being threatened and abused, and that this fed into his own twisted idea of what men and women did in bed, and this may have become further corrupted by pornography he encountered online etc. He probably took out all of his frustrations from being bullied and mocked by other children, and then other adult men, on the women he assaulted.

He certainly knew that what he was doing was wrong, but probably couldn't realise why.

I'm a bit behind just finished it yesterday. I thought it was good but I think it could have helped from an extra episode.

It's perhaps incidental but they mentioned the amount of money raised and whether they'd give it to Catherine or buy something - I'm not sure that was resolved. Granted minor but I think they were pressed to cover the main plot well and fully that some other stuff got left. I also felt they could have done more with the teacher and pharmacists - came across as a bit rushed.

Sorry - that Alison's father was around when Daryl was young - just saw that I may have given the impression that I thought he was still around at the time of the murders.

Look at his childish glee when asking Ryan if he'd seen him in the court room. How proud TLR was of his (ridiculous) escape - he only wanted Ryan there so he could 'marvel' at his exploits.
You can see how all his antisocial behaviour started; acting up for the admiration of other boys. He never got any positive attention at home.

Kieran Hodgson sketch on Twitter

Please watch, I laughed at loud at the Neil bit 😂

That's brilliant!

I've just got time to watch that again while I have this cuppa.

That is AMAZING

Kinesoviches get kineso-stitches

Thanks Jazzy that's hilarious!