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HAPPY VALLEY S3 - thread 7 to chat and muse about the last ever episode

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Blondeshavemorefun · 06/02/2023 09:20

Several people have messaged me to ask if I will do another thread as still all chatting about it

6 is almost full so here you can linked to this one the previous 6

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4710280-happy-valley-series-3-bbc1-9pm-starts-1-january-2023-no-spoilers-tv-pace?reply=123037566

2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4718852-happy-valley-series-3-bbc1-9pm-started-1-january-2023-no-spoilers-tv-pace-thread-2?reply=123279174

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4724933-happy-valley-series-3-bbc1-sundays-9pm-no-spoilerstv-pace-thread-3?reply=123400097

4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4728813-happy-valley-s3-sundays-9pm-bbc-1-tv-pace-no-spoilers-thread-4?reply=123407648

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4731641-happy-valley-s3-tv-pace-no-spoilers-thread-5

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4736071-happy-valley-s3-tv-pace-no-spoilers-thread-6-and-episode-6-and-the-last-ever-episode-forever?reply=123662539

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MuseThrower · 07/02/2023 08:13

I found it very moving that TLR made it to CC’s place when he knew he was dying.

I think something in him needed her. She was the one constant presence in his life.

Sure, he told himself he was going to burn her house down - but that was never going to happen. He went home - or the nearest thing he had to one - to die.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 07/02/2023 08:15

MuseThrower · 07/02/2023 08:13

I found it very moving that TLR made it to CC’s place when he knew he was dying.

I think something in him needed her. She was the one constant presence in his life.

Sure, he told himself he was going to burn her house down - but that was never going to happen. He went home - or the nearest thing he had to one - to die.

Yes I agree with you, I had that feeling to.

That by providing a home for Ryan she had made a space in her home for Tommy also.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:17

Rightsraptor · 06/02/2023 23:47

What I want to know is who was the daft woman who was going to marry Ivan?

If he'd ever have got to his wedding she'd have taken one look at his battered face and said 'no chance'. Or I would, anyway.

And that dreadful slum he seemed to live in! I had assumed that was just some bolt hole for those two thugs for when the going got tough, but it looked like Tweedledum & Tweedledee both actually lived there as they were in their wedding clothes when the cops burst in 😆

What woman would want him? Aim higher, ladies. We can all do better than that.

I'd love to have seen her.

I liked that when he was getting arrested he was shutting "I'm getting married in 2 hours (Couldn't-catch-her-nae) will go mad!"

Or words to that effect.

He was well under her thumb, I think, whoever she was.

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 08:18

@Simplelobsterhat - your reasons are v valid and you have articulated it brilliantly. Yes - agree. The earlier episodes spent a lot of time on Faisal and Joanna and then last 2 episodes hardly any time at all. The storyline needed more time on screen for viewers to feel satisfied.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 07/02/2023 08:20

I think the Poppy coat thing links into earlier episodes in the first series when Ryan is little.

I notice if you watch episode 1/2 of the first series that when he gets home from school Claire or Catherine tell him to get changed and then come and have some juice - the "get changed" is a kind of marker of a present maternal figure I think, that a child has someone noticing them.

I think Rob at least notices that poppy has her coat on but he doesn't do any more that bark at her to take it off.

She isn't coming home to a parent telling her to get changed and come and have some toast and juice.

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 08:20

Totally agree @MuseThrower - spot on. I found it moving too.

HannaHat · 07/02/2023 08:22

Do we think Darius always planned to off TLR, or was it only when he realised he was hellbent on killing Catherine?

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:22

Rightsraptor · 06/02/2023 23:47

What I want to know is who was the daft woman who was going to marry Ivan?

If he'd ever have got to his wedding she'd have taken one look at his battered face and said 'no chance'. Or I would, anyway.

And that dreadful slum he seemed to live in! I had assumed that was just some bolt hole for those two thugs for when the going got tough, but it looked like Tweedledum & Tweedledee both actually lived there as they were in their wedding clothes when the cops burst in 😆

What woman would want him? Aim higher, ladies. We can all do better than that.

It was an absolute muckhole, wasn't it? 😂

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 08:22

Can you imagine being a mother and finding out your daughter is going out with/hanging about with someone like TLR and then to top it off - you are a policewoman too!

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/02/2023 08:23

butterpuffed · 06/02/2023 23:09

I thought the police officer [can't remember his name] told Catherine that Rob hadn't been charged with Joanne's murder . Then Catherine told him about Faisal and the drugs and said he lived very near to Joanna's house . He would have picked up.on this .

He could be done for supplying the drugs but it wouldn't prove he murdered her. He was supplying the drugs she needed to cope with her husband's proven abuse.

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 08:23

Can you imagine being a mother and finding out your daughter is going out with/hanging about with someone like TLR and then to top it off - you are a policewoman too!

BenCoopersSupportWren · 07/02/2023 08:24

I think maybe the reason I didn’t feel I needed Faisal/Rob/Joanna tied up at the end was because I hadn’t become particularly invested in it throughout the series…it had always felt a bit of a distraction to me, and I watched those scenes waiting impatiently to get back to Catherine/Ryan/Claire/TLR.

I assumed time of death would have given Rob a cast-iron alibi for Joanna’s murder, and that’s why he hadn’t been charged for it.

HannaHat · 07/02/2023 08:29

I assumed time of death would have given Rob a cast-iron alibi for Joanna’s murder, and that’s why he hadn’t been charged for it.

I thought this too but I'm sure they can't give a precise time of death, so it could have occurred in the time bracket before he left for work (he was the last to see her, he had the opportunity and had clearly been violent with her given the blood in the house). I think he will be sent down for her murder and Pfizer will be sent down for supplying.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/02/2023 08:29

BenCoopersSupportWren · 07/02/2023 08:24

I think maybe the reason I didn’t feel I needed Faisal/Rob/Joanna tied up at the end was because I hadn’t become particularly invested in it throughout the series…it had always felt a bit of a distraction to me, and I watched those scenes waiting impatiently to get back to Catherine/Ryan/Claire/TLR.

I assumed time of death would have given Rob a cast-iron alibi for Joanna’s murder, and that’s why he hadn’t been charged for it.

Same for me. They were, in a way, a side issue because it was a sort of cop show and they related tangentially to the main story but the relationships were the most important.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:29

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 07:37

I think CC telling Andy that Faisal’s house was 100 yards from Joanna’s was to make us believe that Faisal would go down for Joanna’s murder. Andy was the one who had been saying “not to jump to conclusions” and that they “needed to get to the bottom of who had been supplying her.” Well - they now have.

also - just re-watching the stand off between TLR and CC. A couple of things - massive contrast between her lovely cosy home and the home his Mum was in and where he grew up - similar/same size. Totally different.

And when they are talking she runs through his heinous crimes - and how he kicked her so hard she spent 4 weeks in hospital. He correctly pulled her up saying she did the same to him….she says “it was in the LoD” but we know that she wanted to kill him because she said that to Clare after and that it was only because the police suddenly came on scene that she didn’t.

we know that she wanted to kill him because she said that to Clare after and that it was only because the police suddenly came on scene that she didn’t.

I'll have to re-watch that, because I thought that the only reason she didn't kill him was because he wanted her to, and she thought, "You're not pulling my strings."

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:31

Rightsraptor · 06/02/2023 23:47

What I want to know is who was the daft woman who was going to marry Ivan?

If he'd ever have got to his wedding she'd have taken one look at his battered face and said 'no chance'. Or I would, anyway.

And that dreadful slum he seemed to live in! I had assumed that was just some bolt hole for those two thugs for when the going got tough, but it looked like Tweedledum & Tweedledee both actually lived there as they were in their wedding clothes when the cops burst in 😆

What woman would want him? Aim higher, ladies. We can all do better than that.

I wanted to see her dress!

It would either be a Scrlett O-Hara huge meringue with 80 layers of petticoats, or skin tight so she could hardly walk, a la Morticia Addams.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:41

MuseThrower · 07/02/2023 08:13

I found it very moving that TLR made it to CC’s place when he knew he was dying.

I think something in him needed her. She was the one constant presence in his life.

Sure, he told himself he was going to burn her house down - but that was never going to happen. He went home - or the nearest thing he had to one - to die.

Yes.

And it was heartbreaking as he looked around Ryan's bedroom and saw everything he's never had. Not the material things, the emotional ones - love, comfort, protection, security, the knowledge that you can be as naughty as you like an you'll still be precious to your family. You don't have to be rich to offer these to your child.

Tommy's mother's life was so chaotic she couldn't offer these things to him. She was a drug addict - and that will have affected his foetal development, too, so maybe he was "born wrong", but her inability to love, protect and cherish him will have compounded any "missing bits". And her hideous death flipped a switch in him, too. She might have been useless as a mother, and I know he treated her like muck, but that doesn't mean that deep inside him he wasn't aching for the mother he should have had.

My heart ached for them both. So damaged - she took out her pain on herself, and he took out his on the world.

Hels20 · 07/02/2023 08:42

@HannaHat - good question. I have gone back and forth on this. But because of timing I think it was after TLR said he wanted to kill CC. Because otherwise Darius could have killed him in the open fields on the moors…or put him in a house - not with beetroot man but someone else who would have killed him

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:44

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/02/2023 08:23

He could be done for supplying the drugs but it wouldn't prove he murdered her. He was supplying the drugs she needed to cope with her husband's proven abuse.

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This is actually something Faisal could use in his own defence/build a case against Rob. "She said she thought he would kill her one day"

However I think he'll panic so much he'll spill every bean in the tin.

Simplelobsterhat · 07/02/2023 08:45

BenCoopersSupportWren · 07/02/2023 08:24

I think maybe the reason I didn’t feel I needed Faisal/Rob/Joanna tied up at the end was because I hadn’t become particularly invested in it throughout the series…it had always felt a bit of a distraction to me, and I watched those scenes waiting impatiently to get back to Catherine/Ryan/Claire/TLR.

I assumed time of death would have given Rob a cast-iron alibi for Joanna’s murder, and that’s why he hadn’t been charged for it.

See I felt like that with the drug dealers, the money in the flat, Darius etc, but not Jonanna Rob and Faisal. It had been set up to be quite an interesting and 3d storyline and then it felt like the writer lost interest half way through. Why spend so much time on it to start with it?

LaviniasBigBloomers · 07/02/2023 08:47

Agreed @Emotionalsupportviper Faisal will fold like a pack of cards. To be fair, I would like to have seen that interview!

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:47

I wonder if there had been more "tidying up" n the original ending SW had prepared - the one she amended because the actors felt that it didn't fit the characterisation?

I'd love to know what it was - just out of interest.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:48

Sorry - that was in response to @BenCoopersSupportWren

HannaHat · 07/02/2023 08:50

Yeah I'm inclined to believe it was after Hels.

I wish I could be "spoon-fed" all the answers 😂

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/02/2023 08:52

HannaHat · 07/02/2023 08:50

Yeah I'm inclined to believe it was after Hels.

I wish I could be "spoon-fed" all the answers 😂

Same here.

I'd even sit in a highchair excitedly flapping my arms as each spoonful approached!