HAPPY VALLEY SERIES 3 - BBC1 Sundays 9pm - no spoilers/TV pace - thread 3

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The detective didn't ring her phone did he?
It's obviously on silent or out of battery or something, but you would think he would have done this ?
You would search everywhere for a phone too
It all felt a bit strange, although maybe they don't take missing adult people that seriously really ?

The husband did ring the phone, it’s under the cupboard. He thinks she took it with her which is probably why nobody is looking for it

I was surprised they let Ryan out alone too, but I guess sometimes the story has to move forwards and this was the way it went at that time. It was out of character though

I kept thinking when she was on the phone to Neckbeard Teacher she'd ask "Oh by the way is Ryan in school today do you know?"

I was just surprised that the detective didn't ring it too , but not sure what they do about missing people tbh

Yes, this is about characters, not plot. The plot can be thin. There aren't big twists. But the characters are REAL. We all know a chocolate eclair sweet (hard outside, soft middle) Catherine, wobbly jelly (vulnerable, easily damaged, but sweet and easy to eat) Clare, ginger thin biscuit (looks hard, but brittle) Ann. Alison is like the opposite of Catherine- appears weak, but made of iron. These people are complex, and we care about them.

It seems like there's a heck of a lot still to happen in only 2 episodes...

Why didn't she go out to Alison properly and ask her how it was going ? I'm nosy and would have at least peered under the bonnet with her
She kind of just left her alone : I'd be so impressed that someone knew what they were doing to an old car like that too ; I'm easily impressed by things like this though !
In Tango, the Nicola walker character was good with cars too

On the Catherine/Claire/Ryan love/affection thing, I actually think this is SW's overall main point.

We know a lot about generational trauma through a male point of view - the theme tune is basically an ode to what happens to men when industry moves out of an area and poverty moves in. We are well versed on how that devastates 'the providers'.

What we don't talk about as much is how that affects 'the nurturers', ie the women. Catherine is as much a product of trauma as Ryan. Claire turned it all inside and became an addict. Neither of them can love as they might want to. And that's leaking down to Ryan, who'll have the double whammy of not being able to escape (unless something changes drastically at school) so will suffer as both provider and nurturer.

It's fascinating stuff. Although a very gendered analysis, I think it still holds.

He spotted the suitcase straight away as he's a control freak, keeps the garage locked and new immediately it was out of place. I think he probably assumed Jo was leaving him rather than her body being in the case.

"In The Pines" is an old song, think original version was called "Black Girl". Leadbelly sang a very early version.

If it was their first language, and they'd been brought up by their babuskas who couldn't speak English while their parents were out running drugs, it's very believable.

The detective who searched neck beards home was very strange.

I'm wondering if he has a suspicion but wants to come back with a team rather than find the body on his own and risk a battering from Neckbeard.

He didn't point out the case to the detective as being unusual , if he wasn't so Dodgy himself Most people wouldn't have said that shouldn't be there !

Would have said ,rather

That's actually a BRILLIANT theory Who.

Prince Andre in War and Peace.

According to Wiki he's born in London but went to school in Yorkshire

He’s from Yorkshire.

I think Richard couldn’t see Ryan in the courtroom because Ryan was beneath him, under the gallery overhang?

Ryan deliberately leaned back right when he saw his father looking to see who TLR had smiled at, so he was hidden behind the Indian lady sitting next to him.

*right back

The break out all seemed a bit last minute, think Ivan and Matja could've done with a bit more notice to prepare their distraction.

I'm pleased they didn't go all LOD, yes armed police would've been more inkeeping but I quite liked the clumsy fight and Royce jumping to his escape then running and shouting 'police!' While people let him past. The grin as he cylced off was funny. We know he is a very bad baddie but there is something brilliant in Norton's acting that he makes the character if not likeable then compelling to watch.

I did wonder when Catherine was telling Claire she didn’t know the half of what happened to Becky. I wondered if TLR had pimped her out or something like that. But any scenario I came up with threw Ryan’s paternity into doubt, so I dismissed it.

It does play into the fact that the public services are really underfunded and therefore understaffed. Perhaps there wasn't the budget for umpteen armed guards

To be fair, that had been so flagged up as to be visible from space.🙂 I thought it was all a bit silly.