William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

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Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

“There’s literally a structure by which if you want to release photos of your child, as a member of the family, you first have to give them to the Royal Rota.

Why would I give the very people that are calling my children the N-word a photo of my child before I can share it with the people that love my child? You tell me how that makes sense and then I’ll play that game.”

That's the context.

Meghan Markle very clearly claimed the journalists called Archie the n-word. Not the readership of any particular publication.

Calling one of them his "little Pk friend" might not have been as racist as it seemed at the time... Oh, and telling someone he looked like a raghead wouldn't necessarily have been a slur on Afghans.

Ok Harry. Imagine if anyone tried that one in the workplace or on a TV chat show...

She actually says both things. Both she and Harry are very careful (devious) about obfuscating, confusing, conflating and insinuating throughout the documentary (and ditto on Oprah) without coming out with specific evidence. So potentially one comment on a Daily Mail article or some crap from basement-dwelling Twitter trolls and extremists (who many people have to deal with, not just H&M) become extrapolated to the mainstream media or the entire public. They've discovered that it's possible to smear many people with a tiny daub of paint.

And who can blame them? They're making riches that most can only dream off by doing this stuff. They've got expectations of a certain lifestyle and a mere royal trust fund isn't going to come close to meeting that.

Indeed. As someone who isn't white, there is only one member of the royal family I'm aware of who has indulged in racist language and behaviour, and who I've been shocked and offended by (and I am not someone who is prone to taking offence) and that's Harry.

Statements from her lawyer and Jason Knauf overnight disputing that Meghan asked for help with the court case against the Associated Press (ie Daily Mail) clearly shows that Jason Knauf is willing to provide actual evidence - he provided emails from Meghan to the court so by saying he’s got written proof I’m sure he’ll do it again if pushed - to show her lawyer is distorting the truth to fit H&Ms narrative about William in the documentary.

There was no British newspaper using the n word. It's absurd. It's a total lie. It's illegal to publish hate speech. They wouldn't even have needed to sue, it's simply not allowed. Why not attribute it if it's true?

This toxic couple feel they can lie about their 'real' marriage, their denial they wanted privacy (Meghan said on Oprah they had a basic right to privacy).

Straws? Grasping? She said it. It was a lie.

He was in a room with his grandma, who was quiet. His dad, who was talking and his brother who was shouting. He said it was "terrifying".

@DuchessDandelion I'm so glad it was clear to you. Not to Oprah though because she (along with the world) were told categorically they were 'married' 3 days before the wedding.

The nonsense (suggested earlier upthread) that in African American and Australian communities have a ceremony like this and it is considered a marriage and therefore that is what Meghan was referring to, is ridiculous. Meghan grew up from the age of 5 with her white father and went to private mainly white schools. She wasn't part of an African American community growing up and has stated in interviews she chose not to identify with either race but to remain a 'mystery'.

@GCAcademic I do not believe any newspaper would print the n word in this country. Not even as a readers comment. So she says, vaguely (no surprise there) 'media'. So why not name it? If it's the internet why not clarify that at the time? The couples entire output is a vague, wordy, misleading mishmash of nonsensical speech, designed to to divert away from the truth and mislead.

Did people not see her squirm and deflect in the OW interview when pressed on what was said about Archie's skin colour, before having to admit it wasn't said to her? She was doing a good job in indicating it was said directly to her during the pregnancy. All untrue.

@Anomonda I just wonder though will the RF and their officials just let it ride and ignore everything because the risk of getting into a slanging match, which just feeds into their narrative and continues the pain? I'd love the lies of this toxic pair blown out of the water with actual facts, dates, times and names, but it's a risky path. Perhaps just NC them and ignore.

will the RF and their officials just let it ride and ignore everything

That seems to be exactly the tactic they’re adopting. They were out in force presenting a united front at yesterday’s carol service. The Sussexes seem to be painting themselves into a smaller and smaller corner.

Are you really suggesting journalists called her baby the N word, directly to her?

tbh I think the best course of action. Because, like the OW interview, a lot seems to have been insinuated, but not much said outright.

I think Harry sees Meghan as the most amazing person in the world - fair enough, he married her so all good. But then he seems to want everyone else to share that view. And the only reasons he can see for others not thinking that are racism and/or jealousy. As opposed to 'not my type'. And given that none of us are universally adored that becomes they are the lone voices in a sea of hatred in his eyes.

And she had various expectations based on being a celebrity not being a member of the RF, and when the reality didn't match up the only reasons she could see for it were racism and/or jealousy.

They both had unrealistic expectations, and created a fantasy of what life could be like and didn't take long enough to get a reality check - hence the 'we want to hit the ground running'.

Then when reality hits they needed someone/something to blame.

Yes, racism exists, the press and SM can be vile. But they seem unable to see where they have stoked the flames, and what they could have done differently, that they have also made some unwise choices and hurt others.

I think @GCAcademic hit the nail on the head. They’re both very clever at making very broad brush strokes with their accusations. The fact is no British journalist clearly used the N word - either to her face or in a publication - but Oprah loved it and lapped it up, posing dramatically with her mouth hanging open in mock shock/horror.

If the allegation is factual Meghan had nothing to lose and loads to gain by naming the publication or reporter but she didn’t, or more likely couldn’t because it wasn’t true.

In the words of another reality TV star Judge Judy, unless you can provide evidence, it didn’t happen.

I've read that the best revenge you can get on someone who has hurt you is to live your best, happiest life and ignore them. I think this is true. I do hope that H&M don't come to the coronation and have all their titles removed as a part of the slimming down, but I doubt this will happen as it serves to solidify the couples sense of grievance. Just let the couple carry on hanging themselves with all the rope they've been given.

I do hope that H&M don't come to the coronation and have all their titles removed

Why would they still want them? They hate everything that goes with them and appear to be trying to destroy the institution with which they stand.

Why would they still want them? They hate everything that goes with them and appear to be trying to destroy the institution with which they stand

Yes I wondered this too. They no longer wanted to be working royals. They seem to want to bring down the monarchy - perhaps they don't, but their actions point to that. They want to show the world how rotten the royal family is and that there is deeply ingrained racism.
The honest thing to do would be to say we are against the monarchy, everything it stands for, and especially against privilege and racism. And for that reason we are now going to style ourselves as Mr and Mrs <surname of their choice> and we reject the royal titles.

But it's similar to how they went on preaching to us about climate change and then flying around on private jets.

Because the titles are all they have to merchandise their brand. The kids presumably are prince and princess. I wonder how long it will take for them to be merched too.

Tbh, if you’re struggling with your mental health too, isn’t setting up a staged, fictitious home life scenario and allowing a camera crew apparently unlimited access to your private moments probably not the healthiest thing? By projecting unattainable and gauzy soft focus images surely adds to their sense of unreality?

It does surprise me that if the press is so annoying to them both for various reasons which of course I can understand as regards Harry, then why go on twitter at all? I don't use it and my life is no worse for that. Why read the newspapers? Why go online? Why not just live a fairly off line life quietly in the country somewhere?

I did watch all the episodes and parts of it were interesting. I think it was deliberately masking the truth at times over some of the issues on the thread, as these programmes often do.

I am interested in the issue of the late witness statement the Schillings solicitor (for MM) says was produced late in the day to help one side as presumably that can be proved one way or the other. I just looked it up

"During the newspaper’s appeal against summary judgment in the case, which was awarded to the duchess, new evidence from Mr Knauf came to light over Meghan’s earlier claim in court documents that she did not know if, and to what extent, her communications team had also co-operated with the authors of Finding Freedom, a flattering biography about her and Harry.

He disclosed that he had provided information to the writers ‘with her knowledge’, and had emails to prove it.

Meghan was forced to apologise to the court – but said she had no intent to mislead it and had simply ‘not remembered’ the relevant exchanges at the time.

The Court of Appeal judge who dismissed the newspaper’s appeal described it as ‘at best, an unfortunate lapse of memory on her part’.

In the Netflix documentary, Meghan’s lawyer, Jenny Afia, goes so far as to suggest William would have given his authority for Mr Knauf to come forward in the case, saying: ‘A senior member of the Duke of Cambridge’s team came forward to give this witness statement which wasn’t required. And sadly there is just no way he could have done that without the authority of his bosses.’ "

In general witnesses have a duty not to mislead the court so if something new comes out or you realise an earlier witness statement was wrong then very urgently you file another to correct that (as lying in a statement can lead to a jail sentence as Archer and that other Tory politician who found God in jail both found to their cost)

They already have in this Netflix thing.

We don't know if it's true that William shouted at Harry as there is no evidence.

But Meghan's ire is captured for all to see. Harry seems a bit scared of her.

I do think Harry is going to come out the worst in all of this.

I dont have any siblings but im fairly certain id be shouting at him too.

My Children are always shouting and screaming at each other it seems like normal sibling behaviour to me.

@TheDofS I think his mental health is far worse than anyone realised. Having a stable family supporting him and getting him out of scrapes like the drinking and drugs plus professional psychological help has minimised the publics knowledge of his instability. Now it's all been taken away and he is in an alien environment with nothing but a family shitshow behind him I wonder how he will cope. I hope his and Meghans love is a genuine and equal love. If not he's done for.

Precisely. Whenever I see any 'celebrity' being interviewed, I think the same thing, though - and I'm always reminded of the lyrics to David Bryne's 'Lazy': "I open up my mouth / Air comes rushin' out / Nothin', doin' nadda, never...".

Then again, M&H HAVE to leave anything they say open to interpretation and speculation because they're charging, repeatedly, for the same 'nothingness' they've already been paid for several times over (and here we are, like absolute idiots, even bothering to discuss the pair of vain, self-obsessed fools for the hundredth time whilst Prince Andrew got away with sexually abusing minors and the Queen got away with secretly lobbying Parliament in order to disclose the true extent of her wealth).