William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

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Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

Why on earth is anyone interested? They made their decision to leave so that should be the end of it. I actually like the Royal family and I think that they are trying to be more accepted. It must be dreadful being born into a life of duty and I think that Charles is doing a good job to date. William and Kate at least are approachable and have some appreciation of normal life. OK they have never had to scrimp and scrape but that’s no different to a whole load of people with wealthy parents who went to good schools!

*Sundayvibes · Today 20:33

Harry has lost the plot.
whatever happened to that cheeky, charming little ginge*

He doesn't have the Palace PR people projecting and pronoting that image of him in the press anymore

@LadyKenya I'm sure there are some racist undertones, but maybe I don't read threads where they appear. I am genuinely interested in how it can be tackled because it appears so woven into the fabric of life. I don't believe I am personally racist and have called people out several times. I have friends of all heritages but I am aware I could have an unconscious bias which I don't like. I did have a major argument online with a white supremacist in America who really went for me for suggesting raising poor black neighbourhoods out of poverty, may be a start in reducing crime (he was blaming crime on blacks). It was when I suggested melting all the guns in circulation down might also help, it got scary! He had loads of articles supporting his views and of course Trump was robbed and Biden in league with the devil. I backed off then 😂.

Of course families arguing is normal! Slamming doors on your siblings or parents is a rite of passage. We will fall out for a bit then ask who wants a cup of tea or glass of wine.

So people are ‘narrow-minded and easily manipulated’ for not having the same opinion as you?

Bore off.

People are perfectly able and entitled to have an opinion on the docuseries and H&M, whether it’s good or bad.

You’re heavily invested.

Still on their interview with Oprah Winfrey....

Meghan Markle is effectively claimed that the Royal Family is racist in relation to her son and the titles/security issue.

Oprah: You certainly must have had some conversations with Harry about it and have your own suspicions as to why they didn’t want to make Archie a prince. What are . . .  what are those thoughts? Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s because of his race?

Meghan: (Sighs)

Oprah: And I know that’s a loaded question, but . . . 

Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . . .  so we have in tandem the conversation of ‘He won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Shortly before this bit, Meghan claimed that during her pregnancy first time round "they wanted to change the convention for Archie".

It's not too difficult to find the actual Letters Patent that deals with this convention.
Here's what it says:

"Now Know Ye that We of our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do hereby declare our Royal Will and Pleasure that the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour."

In other words, the Monarch's children will carry Prince/Princess titles. It further states that the sons of the Monarch can also give their own children said titles.

Finally, it states that the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales' children will also have these titles.

This convention goes back to 1917 and the Queen's father.

So, it was always going to be the case that Prince Harry's children would not have the Prince and Princess titles during the Queen's reign.

Lastly it also states:

"Our Royal Will and Pleasure that the grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes of these Our Realms."

Archie can inherit Harry's titles of Duke of Sussex (England), Earl of Dumbarton (Scotland) and Barony of Kilkeel (Northern Ireland).

As Prince, Harry knows all of this very well which raises questions about why he didn't bother to correct this one. After all, Meghan was alleging Archie was denied the Royal title of Prince due to racism.

And that's far from the case as the Letters Patent shows.

Since Harry and Meghan left out the crucial details around Royal titles, it makes you think what else are they hiding?

What got on my nerves was Harry seemingly being forced to have a huge public wedding because it was ‘expected’. I really don’t think the British public would have minded them having a small private wedding saving the tax payer millions !! Talk about a slap in the tax payers face

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Was Harry actually an army captain? He doesn’t appear to have the character for it.

Captain is a rank you get promoted to automatically after three years if you haven't been eased or invalided out or decided to leave. It usually goes commission, one year as a Second Lieutenant, two years as a Lieutenant, then between five and seven years as a Captain. There has to be something pretty badly amiss for that promotion not to happen. Mind you, see the bracket at the end; it's possible his promotion was delayed a bit by the official letter of displeasure that could have caused to be on his army record. Since he served for ten years and was not promoted to Major he may not have been absolutely stellar, let's say.

I can't see the army asking a member of the royal family to leave, even so, so his being a captain after three years service (or a bit more) will have been inevitable, not because he had a great character or was brilliant at his job. You'd need to talk to his soldiers to find out whether he was a good officer, and the chances are that they wouldn't say if he wasn't; they will have sworn an oath of loyalty to his grandmother, so I doubt they would badmouth him. (Calling one of them his "little Pk friend" might not have been as racist as it seemed at the time... Oh, and telling someone he looked like a raghead wouldn't necessarily have been a slur on Afghans. Speaking of racism as people are on this thread.)

Nonsense! They could have done it other ways! Bloody wished they'd saved the country sone money and gone to Gretna green! But then if they're morning about not having a palace to live in then I guess a little wedding wouldn't suffice

Absolutely. There was actually a lot of very positive talk in the press and elsewhere about them having a small wedding or a private wedding. The public only swallowed forking out for the whole shebang out of good feeling for both of them.

Never really got the fuss about their wedding being 3 days earlier, what pissed me off was the line that all that pomp was for everyone else. It bloody well wasn't.

I think the whole documentary was 2 people moaning and groaning about their incredibly privileged lives without realising that so many people are suffering awful hardships. They came across as narcissistic brats. Let’s hope there now disappear into the sunset. I have new found respect for wills and Kate!

Maybe they did ask and got told no by palace aides. I mean isnt this what is happening with King Charles right now he wants a smaller coronation and there have been articles claiming sources close to the Palace saying its not right and he is decimating tradition it isn't right etc....

The toxic institution run by these aides who refuse to change.

Maybe, but moaning about to the viewers who paid the wedding is just rude.

Possibly. Though I think H&M would have pointed out that they fought to have a small private wedding.

Theres also a huge difference between the Coronation and the wedding of the person who is 6th in line to the throne.

there have been articles claiming sources close to the Palace saying its not right and he is decimating tradition it isn't right etc....

Have there? I haven’t seen them. Everything I’ve read is supportive of a smaller, more inclusive coronation.

So... nothing said about the the 'someone' who said 'something racist' at 'some point' then?

How strange. Anyone might think it never happened...

Well then just don’t get married? They’re hardly scared of sticking up for themselves are they?

How exactly do we ‘know’ this?

I mean i literally did hear with my own ears Meghan say that they had their own marriage in the garden before their actual wedding.
I think the the Archbishop heard the same thing given he had to publicly deny it?

have they said that isnt actually true? That the palace haven't protected him? Well we all know that's true

Playing devil's advocate here: some journalists have said the Palace did protect them because journalists witnessed obnoxious behaviour that was kept from the public.

I’m still waiting for someone to reveal who or what media outlet used an offensive racist term for their children.

Meghan said, “Why would I give the very people that are calling my children the N-word a photo of my child before I can share it with the people that love my child?”

I would have thought any newspaper using that term would have been majorly called out and quite rightly heavily censured by the IPSO. Where is the evidence that this word was used in relation to Archie and Lili? Harry is pretty quick off the mark in being litigious - surely a slur like that, if true, would have been a slam dunk case?

Archbishop - “I can promise you, the wedding was on the Saturday."

“But you know she clarified that a few days later and it didn’t matter at all.

“The wedding was on the Saturday and it was beautiful.

Today news reports have explained Harry said in the Netflix episode that William shouted at him at the Sandringham summit.

The whole reason they had a Sandringham summit is because M and H launched their website announcing they were going to adopt a half in half out role before it was all agreed. That is why they then had to take that website down and say it was agreed they would be fully leaving. It is not speculation that was the timeline.

I have attached screenshots from two articles. One is from the New York Times in 2017 (it is behind a paywall hence screenshot) where it reports that Harry said in a
recent Telegraph podcast that he credited his brother with telling him he needed professional help to deal with the problems he was having. www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/world/europe/uk-prince-harry-death-princess-diana.html

The other screenshot is an article quoting what Harry said in a 2017 tv documentary about his father doing the best he could after Diana died.

Finally, this link is a 6 min interview with Ant and Dec talking to Harry and William about their father. I don’t think you can fake the clear affection both brothers had for their father.

I don’t doubt all Harry and Meghan say. The tabloid press are grim and they gave Meghan a hard time but there seems a lot of re writing of history on Harry’s behalf and I think they have gone about it all in a destructive way with a good dollop of hypocrisy and half truths over certain issues.

Would you be happy having cameras on you 24hrs a day? On your children?

Working royals and the press have an agreement - which I think was updated even further after the Levenson enquiry ( I don’t have the details) - that they are not photographed during their private leisure time. Catherine and William say will issue every few months photos of their children to the press but you do not see them and their children being photographed out and about in their private time. So I do not agree that H and M and their children would be photographed 24 hrs a day. Also as part of the family they had security.

Hideous untruths being said about you in the media?

I agree the tabloids became increasingly nasty about Meghan and there was some racism from them. Catherine had a hard time from our awful tabloids for many years too, but I take Harry and Meghan’s point that Meghan was exposed also to unacceptable racism.

Why would I give the very people that are calling my children the N-word a photo of my child before I can share it with the people that love my child?”

I would have thought any newspaper using that term would have been majorly called out and quite rightly heavily censured by the IPSO

There was racism from the tabloids such as the ‘nearly straight outta Compton headline in the Daily Mail’ but I do not believe any newspaper would be using the horrible n-word in print. They would rightly be sued to high heaven. Unless M means she heard some press people say that amongst themselves. I really hope not.