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William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

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felulageller · 15/12/2022 10:37

Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

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earsup · 15/12/2022 14:24

Zero interest in any of this...how and why is it news..??...dont give a toss !

ReneBumsWombats · 15/12/2022 14:28

earsup · 15/12/2022 14:24

Zero interest in any of this...how and why is it news..??...dont give a toss !

Nice of you to drop by!

JaneJeffer · 15/12/2022 14:29

You think you've got it bad, check out Anne Boleyn, love.
Grin

oakleaffy · 15/12/2022 14:29

@britsabroad Great points.
They are hypocritical, self serving and the Meghan being like Diana is actually verging on delusional and barmy.
Harry doesn’t seem to be a grounded person, and Megz is just feeding into his paranoia .

Making these provocative and money grubbing programmes makes it more likely they will get negative press attention.
Meghan seems to have a fame addiction- a desperate need to be talked about, a vast ego that knows no bounds.

antelopevalley · 15/12/2022 14:33

I do think Meghan is like Diana actually.

lightand · 15/12/2022 14:35

One of my kids sent something to another today, saying they are going to sue them for shouting at them in childhood!!

itsnowjoke · 15/12/2022 14:35

MorningMeditation · 15/12/2022 14:05

Most people I know in real life don’t have strong feelings either way. They have some sympathy with Harry and Meghan, definitely not hatred, but not love either, because either would be weird.

Most realise that we don’t actually know these people and so wouldn’t strongly defend or attack either side.

Remember, even people on here will be using VPNs, many posters could be the same person. All may not be what it seems.

This is very much my feeling. There is something really off about the absolute hatred for M&H and fierce defending of the RF.
Nobody I know in real life thinks this. They are ambivalent at best!
I’m not a fan of either Megan or Harry or the RF, but I think there’s definitely a lot of truth in what m&h are saying.
They are completely spot on about the toxic media in this country, and I believe the RF will do and say anything to preserve themselves!

TirisfalPumpkin · 15/12/2022 14:36

Always love the 'I'm so uninterested, I'll take time out of my day to post on a thread about it'.

I find it fascinating. Feel the theme of entitlement comes through more strongly in the latest eps - they cannot envisage an outcome where they're not changemakers, figureheads, people of note. Most people go through life content to make a small difference in their chosen causes, raise happy children, be a good friend/family member, make money doing something you like or can tolerate, enough to survive. Harry in particular seems to find this worldview alien and that probably explains his struggles in trying to be 'half in, half out'. He has a peculiar view of what 'service' is (i.e. it's often thankless and tedious af).

I think Meghan gets it more than he does, but she doesn't want a 'normal' life for different reasons.

On the shouting, I could believe William absolutely lost his shit at him. Probably he started coming out with whatever lines he'd learned in therapy about feeling 'heard' and 'sharing', gran was ???, Charles went to find the brandy and exasperated Will dropped some home truths. I could see William having a bit of a temper tbh - being perfectly controlled all the time and never allowed to express yourself = white hot ball of rage getting stored up.

Moonlightdust · 15/12/2022 14:36

britsabroad · 15/12/2022 14:21

@skippy67 why am I outraged about their sense of entitlement.....

They both seem to have problems with delusions of self grandeur, ego, truth and levels of entitlement. They have delusions of grandeur and importance because of who they are not because of what they have done. They think they've been wronged by the Royal family. I'm fed up with them wanting to have their cake and eat it.

As requested - examples of their sense of entitlement and how ungracious they are-

-they stepped down from being senior royals in 2020 and they were frustrated that the Palace had stopped them developing their Sussex Royal brand. They wanted to do things their way with a disregard to tradition, protocol. They thought they could just do what they wanted, reinvent the wheel.

-H thought they were entitled to clothing allowance, carriage rides, standing on the balcony, generous wages, allowance from families

-H thought he could be a "half in half out Royal". Imagine if I told my employer I'd like to be paid but just do the bits of work I'd like to do, on my terms. What do you think they would say?

-they received a lump sum from Charles in 2020 to help them become financially independent. Harry said "my family cut me off financially".

-when they stepped back from being Senior Royals they had their security arrangements taken away in line with other 'non senior' Royals. But Harry believed they were entitled to the Royal perks of having security and complained about it. Why does he think he's so special?

-Harry says in the Netflix documentary "it's amazing what people will do when offered a huge amount of money" in reference to Meghans dad. They then accepted a huge sum from Netflix and essentially sold out his own family as well as the privacy of their own children.

-they've kept their titles.

I think Meghan thought she could be the next Princess Diana, and Harry is so loveblind/traumatised by his mother's death he thinks she is the next Diana. She's not even close to being anything like Diana. These two could do some good in the world if they actually cared about anyone than themselves.

I don't really get your points - they have had cameras on them 24/7 out of their choice. They've also been on Oprah and created a Netflix documentary out of choice, therefore raising their profile even further which will only increase the level of paparazzi attention on them and their kids, putting a bigger price on their heads, increasing the level of threats.

They could have gone about this a better way, held their heads high instead of becoming tabloid fodder detracting from any good work they may do. The whole documentary is biased and lacks substance. Its tit for tat.

I also don't think any of this is about race - I am a very similar colour to Meghan and alot of the time I'm "seen as white". Meghan is not seen as black, its not the same as being black. The public havent taken issue with her skin colour. But agree they might with her being American - her seeming to be totally ignorant and disparaging of British history and culture. I personally found the way she mocked curtseying infront of the Queen to be rude, ignorant and distasteful. Imagine the uproar if she had publicly mocked the Japanese greeting culture of bowing or the Maori greeting culture of pressing foreheads and noses together.

And on a final note, I personally think its always best to "be nice". Throwing shade at others, doesn't make you look good. It has the opposite effect. Those two had it all but they are ultimately responsible for their own undoing.

Agreed. Also there are many, many accounts of M speaking down to people. In fact the Queen was quoted as saying 'Meghan, in this family we don't speak to people like that' on overhearing her being rude to a Caterer. Think it says a lot about her character. I think H has been brainwashed.

Getitwright · 15/12/2022 14:40

I just had the nicest dream. Two misunderstood multi millionaires, desperate for more attention and more money, had an epiphany moment and decided to give away their latest 81 million to help the poor and starving people of the World. Then they lived happily forever after (hopefully never heard from again)
Ahhhh…….

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 15/12/2022 14:41

Me and my sister scream at each other when we argue. The air turns blue.
You don't pass flowers or blow kisses in an argument do you.

derxa · 15/12/2022 14:44

antelopevalley · 15/12/2022 12:38

If you all did things on this thread you are saying as adults, then half of you should be reported to the police by your relatives.

😆

itsnowjoke · 15/12/2022 14:46

The thing is, where do they want to go with all this. Yes they’re having their day/ telling their story whatever, but what happens after that!

Also, I’ve always thought (maybe unkindly) that their relationship will not be a one that lasts, and maybe in ten years or so Harry is going to find himself homeless, both in his adoptive country and here in the UK, as he’s burnt his bridges.

Lolabear38 · 15/12/2022 14:46

justgettingthroughtheday · 15/12/2022 11:46

No @Same1977 they have told their story. Their perspective. They haven't mocked anything other than themselves. They haven't mocked any of the traditions - which you would know if you had watched the documentary with an open mind.
What they have done is condemn the British media and their shitty behaviour. They have been treated appallingly by the press the entire time. Harry has been from the moment his mother died. His mother who wouldn't have died had she not been being chased by the British media at the time of her death and who was photographed dying by them instead of helping her.

But there is none so blind as those who cannot see. You have decided your narrative due to being manipulated by headline and bullshit propaganda.

I actually think they have been treated appallingly by the media. Given historical events I don’t think they should have been as surprised as they seemingly were, but of course that doesn’t make it ok. I think the media made their lives hell (and the general public massively contributed, given that we all read/ listen to it/ watch it which makes it newsworthy).

What I really, really dislike is the constant bashing and throwing the Royal family under the bus. I think both sides have contributed to this situation, they’re both to blame. But we’re only getting one side of the story (and repeatedly getting that side too 🙄) and H&M know full well the royals won’t release an official response so they can essentially say whatever they want, unchallenged.

I fully support them leaving Royal life. I think it was incredibly brave and must have been very scary, particularly for Harry. Walking away from the family ‘business’ isn’t easy at any time, let alone when that business happens to be one of the most famous institutions in the world. But please
stop talking and bashing your family now! You have pretty much zero respect from me (which will mean nothing to them Obvs 😂).

It just feels like the royal family have been forced into a boxing ring with H&M but they have their hands tied behind their backs. It needs to stop.

MarshaBradyo · 15/12/2022 14:47

It is interesting. Not particularly the series which I haven’t watched but the reaction to it.

Good fodder for chat

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 15/12/2022 14:48

CurlyhairedAssassin · 15/12/2022 13:10

I don’t doubt she’s been treated badly and Harry is a complete arse giving her last minute notice of events re meeting the queen.

You have no idea of the reason for this. It could be that the Palace was being awkward and not communcating with Harry properly if he tried to make arrangements to visit when his grandmother was at home. It could be that Meghan was so stressed about meeting her that he thought it might be better to just go with the flow and if she happened to be there that's when the meeting would happen, rather than any pre-arranged formal meeting.]

I find it really odd how people judge other so much without knowing the fully story.

I don’t actually believe them though which is sad because at one point I would have believed them.

You seriously think Harry doesn’t know what to do when it comes to protocol?! Of course he does but it sounds better not to know.

And Camilla and Sophie Wessex both offered Meghan advice on the RF which she chose to ignore.

She looks like a simpering, pay attention to me actress in lots of her photos (I’ll just look to see if the camera is on me) and I believe she thought she could break new ground, breathe new life etc into the RF which they don’t want. It’d be the same treatment if another person tried to do this but as Meghan is biracial of course they’ll both play on this. She then ignores Michelle Obama’s advice too.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/12/2022 14:52

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 15/12/2022 14:48

I don’t actually believe them though which is sad because at one point I would have believed them.

You seriously think Harry doesn’t know what to do when it comes to protocol?! Of course he does but it sounds better not to know.

And Camilla and Sophie Wessex both offered Meghan advice on the RF which she chose to ignore.

She looks like a simpering, pay attention to me actress in lots of her photos (I’ll just look to see if the camera is on me) and I believe she thought she could break new ground, breathe new life etc into the RF which they don’t want. It’d be the same treatment if another person tried to do this but as Meghan is biracial of course they’ll both play on this. She then ignores Michelle Obama’s advice too.

Just how do you know all those people you listed, "tried to give advice"? Who told you that? A tabloid? And how do you know that she "ignored it", when you don't even know what the advice was? You people are simply creating a narrative in your own mind about someone you don't even know, people you don't even know and what was said you don't even know. I think people here are enacting a fantasy, but it's not H&M doing it, it is you people.

Jennybeans401 · 15/12/2022 14:57

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I believe Meghan was treated badly by the press and the RF should have done more to address the racist abuse she faced. After Diana they should have had more support in place to help Meghan come to terms with Royal life.

But I also think that H&M always saw that they wanted more independence than Royal life permitted. They wanted the title and assets though. Meghan seems too self aware to the point of self centeredness. I like her but I can believe her assertiveness could be rudeness to most.

The one thing I find hard to forgive is one brother selling out and leaving the other in the shit. William is no angel but for Harry to sell out like this is awful.

The whole thing is tragic but H&M seem to have made the RF a talking point through this.

Hankunamatata · 15/12/2022 14:57

It just all seems a sad money grab. The documentary won't change anything. I don't see why they did it except for money

SammySawdust · 15/12/2022 14:58

I don't understand why they still want to use their titles. Surely they'd be the first things they'd jettison.

Have they ever explained this paradox?

Jennybeans401 · 15/12/2022 14:58

William might have shouted at him. It was probably a desperate plea to keep his brother with him.

Choconut · 15/12/2022 14:59

They seem to be on campaign to bring down William and Kate. First there was that shot of Kate in the trailer they put out. Then Meghan saying basically that she was lovely and huggy and Kate was a cold fish that kept up protocol even behind closed doors. Then there was this whole thing with William being protected and now screaming and shouting at Harry.

As I've said before Meghan is a social climber, she thought she'd reached the top of the tree by marrying a prince and then found out there were still two people 'ahead' of her. Harry is a not too bright wet lettuce who will do anything to keep her happy....so here we are.

antelopevalley · 15/12/2022 15:02

@Choconut So according to you it is all the black woman's fault?

britsabroad · 15/12/2022 15:02

Yes @Choconut well said.

Jennybeans401 · 15/12/2022 15:03

@Choconut yes I think the 'hierarchy' thing probably seems strange to Meghan being American. She knew before she joined the RF about all this though, maybe she thought she would change it? I'm wondering 🤔

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