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William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

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felulageller · 15/12/2022 10:37

Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

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Shelefttheweb · 15/12/2022 13:54

Which is worse: ‘shouting’ at someone in private or a hugely publicised six part series full of very public snide remarks and accusation that the accused cannot properly respond to?

Cornettoninja · 15/12/2022 13:55

Shelefttheweb · 15/12/2022 13:54

Which is worse: ‘shouting’ at someone in private or a hugely publicised six part series full of very public snide remarks and accusation that the accused cannot properly respond to?

Fair comment imho.

NinjaWarriorCooker · 15/12/2022 13:57

Shelefttheweb · 15/12/2022 13:54

Which is worse: ‘shouting’ at someone in private or a hugely publicised six part series full of very public snide remarks and accusation that the accused cannot properly respond to?

Excellent point!

DeliberatelyObtuse · 15/12/2022 13:58

Shelefttheweb · 15/12/2022 13:54

Which is worse: ‘shouting’ at someone in private or a hugely publicised six part series full of very public snide remarks and accusation that the accused cannot properly respond to?

Well put and spot on

Vohgue · 15/12/2022 13:59

Not British. I find all of these threads so weird. I have watched the doco to date and find it very sad. Why do you all hate them so much? (Harry, meghan, william, kate whomever?!). They strike me as people fighting their own battles.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/12/2022 14:01

Peedoffo · 15/12/2022 13:45

Harry's lucky William only shouted at him. They couldn't go to boring events but could go to the lion king premier. I think Meghan never had any intention of making it work as a royal.

The lion king premiere was something they were involved in, as part of their RF duties. It was work.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/12/2022 14:02

raspberrytinsel · 15/12/2022 13:47

Omid William Scobie, is dat you?😅

Dan Wooten is that you?

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/12/2022 14:03

Museya15 · 15/12/2022 13:44

"narrative!" Meghan calling!🤣

Yes because the word 'narrative' has never been used before Meghan! Hmm

ganachee · 15/12/2022 14:03

beatsin8s · 15/12/2022 11:54

Why do people keep saying this? They didn't want harassed by the UK media by having paps aggressively following their every move, chasing them like they did Diana. Freedom to decide by themselves what they want to share.

Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

I agree he didn’t say they were seeking more privacy but he did say he was hoping for a more peaceful life. Their actions since are not conducive to a peaceful life. However, as they have made their brand not only challenging toxic tabloids but heavily criticising his family and the institution (which he and Meghan still wanted to belong to in a part time role until they were told not possible) he must have known a peaceful life was not on the agenda.

I agree the British tabloids are grim and kudos to anyone challenging they way they operate, but Harry’s insistence in making it personal is distasteful to me.

Lovageandrose · 15/12/2022 14:04

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

Oh MN you do deliver the best lines.

Cornettoninja · 15/12/2022 14:05

Vohgue · 15/12/2022 13:59

Not British. I find all of these threads so weird. I have watched the doco to date and find it very sad. Why do you all hate them so much? (Harry, meghan, william, kate whomever?!). They strike me as people fighting their own battles.

Why do you feel the need to watch the documentary and tell us you felt sad? It’ll be the same reason.

I don’t think there is ‘hate’ so much as projection and various high-running emotions. That’s what entertainment is designed to do. If it inspires any sort of feeling in you then it’s done its job and there’s no superiority in feeling one emotion over another.

MorningMeditation · 15/12/2022 14:05

Vohgue · 15/12/2022 13:59

Not British. I find all of these threads so weird. I have watched the doco to date and find it very sad. Why do you all hate them so much? (Harry, meghan, william, kate whomever?!). They strike me as people fighting their own battles.

Most people I know in real life don’t have strong feelings either way. They have some sympathy with Harry and Meghan, definitely not hatred, but not love either, because either would be weird.

Most realise that we don’t actually know these people and so wouldn’t strongly defend or attack either side.

Remember, even people on here will be using VPNs, many posters could be the same person. All may not be what it seems.

purpledalmation · 15/12/2022 14:05

Vohgue · 15/12/2022 13:59

Not British. I find all of these threads so weird. I have watched the doco to date and find it very sad. Why do you all hate them so much? (Harry, meghan, william, kate whomever?!). They strike me as people fighting their own battles.

Because Harry and Meghan are using Netflix, Oprah Winfrey and books to put their 'truth' across, which is deliberately harmful to their families, the UK and the monarchy in particular. They're doing this knowing it's a one sided 'truth' and that the royal family won't respond. It's shooting fish in a barrel

ganachee · 15/12/2022 14:06

Further to my comment above, I see someone say Meghan in the Oprah interview said she did want privacy. I missed this. I only saw Harry’s statement of hoping for a more peaceful life.

Harry said this at a charity event a day or so before he left for Canada

”Our hope was to continue serving the queen, the Commonwealth and my military associations without public funding. Sadly that wasn’t possible,” the prince, the sixth-in-line to the throne, said.

“I’ve accepted this knowing it doesn’t change who I am, or how committed I am. But I hope that helps you understand what it had come to, that I would step back from all I have ever known to take a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life.”

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-royals-harry-idUSKBN1ZI0TF

blacksax · 15/12/2022 14:07

Stop press - headline news alert!!!

Brothers have argument. Gosh.

AccidentalWhippet · 15/12/2022 14:08

I'm sure my big brother has shouted at me before. As have other people. Can I have a netflix series as well, please?

oakleaffy · 15/12/2022 14:15

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/12/2022 14:01

The lion king premiere was something they were involved in, as part of their RF duties. It was work.

The Lion King they went to instead of an Army Veteran’s event, if the media was right.
There was a lot of criticism for “
Wanna go Lion King!!” Rather than to support Military Veterans.

Greendiamonds · 15/12/2022 14:15

Seems to be a very toxic family whichever way you look at it. William etc seem to be at peace with the dynamics and the tradition but Harry is fighting against it and publicly so. Maybe nobody is in the right it’s just toxic .

Roselilly36 · 15/12/2022 14:17

Only watched the first 3, very subjective when you only hear one side of the story. They feel wronged, want to express their feelings which they have done. I just hope Harry & Meg remain as in love as they appear to be. As Harry has burnt his bridges by speaking out. Of course, his loyalties lie with his wife, that is understandable. But I just wonder how much of this anger, upset and dare I say it jealousy has been caused by living in William and Kate’s shadow, Meg was never going to be the star. I might well be wrong who knows.

Kettledodger · 15/12/2022 14:17

Yep I am 1 of 8 siblings we have definitely yelled at one another a lot, I would even say occasionally when younger it actually would come to blows. All he is describing is fairly normal sibling behaviour IMO

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/12/2022 14:18

Not having cameras on him and his wife 24hrs a day?

Unless you're selling your family out to Netflix then it's ok.

britsabroad · 15/12/2022 14:21

@skippy67 why am I outraged about their sense of entitlement.....

They both seem to have problems with delusions of self grandeur, ego, truth and levels of entitlement. They have delusions of grandeur and importance because of who they are not because of what they have done. They think they've been wronged by the Royal family. I'm fed up with them wanting to have their cake and eat it.

As requested - examples of their sense of entitlement and how ungracious they are-

-they stepped down from being senior royals in 2020 and they were frustrated that the Palace had stopped them developing their Sussex Royal brand. They wanted to do things their way with a disregard to tradition, protocol. They thought they could just do what they wanted, reinvent the wheel.

-H thought they were entitled to clothing allowance, carriage rides, standing on the balcony, generous wages, allowance from families

-H thought he could be a "half in half out Royal". Imagine if I told my employer I'd like to be paid but just do the bits of work I'd like to do, on my terms. What do you think they would say?

-they received a lump sum from Charles in 2020 to help them become financially independent. Harry said "my family cut me off financially".

-when they stepped back from being Senior Royals they had their security arrangements taken away in line with other 'non senior' Royals. But Harry believed they were entitled to the Royal perks of having security and complained about it. Why does he think he's so special?

-Harry says in the Netflix documentary "it's amazing what people will do when offered a huge amount of money" in reference to Meghans dad. They then accepted a huge sum from Netflix and essentially sold out his own family as well as the privacy of their own children.

-they've kept their titles.

I think Meghan thought she could be the next Princess Diana, and Harry is so loveblind/traumatised by his mother's death he thinks she is the next Diana. She's not even close to being anything like Diana. These two could do some good in the world if they actually cared about anyone than themselves.

I don't really get your points - they have had cameras on them 24/7 out of their choice. They've also been on Oprah and created a Netflix documentary out of choice, therefore raising their profile even further which will only increase the level of paparazzi attention on them and their kids, putting a bigger price on their heads, increasing the level of threats.

They could have gone about this a better way, held their heads high instead of becoming tabloid fodder detracting from any good work they may do. The whole documentary is biased and lacks substance. Its tit for tat.

I also don't think any of this is about race - I am a very similar colour to Meghan and alot of the time I'm "seen as white". Meghan is not seen as black, its not the same as being black. The public havent taken issue with her skin colour. But agree they might with her being American - her seeming to be totally ignorant and disparaging of British history and culture. I personally found the way she mocked curtseying infront of the Queen to be rude, ignorant and distasteful. Imagine the uproar if she had publicly mocked the Japanese greeting culture of bowing or the Maori greeting culture of pressing foreheads and noses together.

And on a final note, I personally think its always best to "be nice". Throwing shade at others, doesn't make you look good. It has the opposite effect. Those two had it all but they are ultimately responsible for their own undoing.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 15/12/2022 14:22

What's this bullcrap about Meghan being thanked for her service to the UK? What the absolute chuff has she ever done for the UK? If she really said this, and believed it, she is truly delusional.

Squamata · 15/12/2022 14:22

Can you imagine if every royal did a six part series about how they've been screwed over? The thing that drives me crazy about them is that they can only see their own perspective. You think you've got it bad, check out Anne Boleyn, love.

So they see being royal as claustrophobic, zero privacy, intense pressure etc - and then waltz off and leave William to do it alone. No shit he'd be mad, they're basically doubling his workload.

I have sympathy for them to the point of saying, we don't want this to be our life so we're leaving. Why didn't they then just stfu?

JustLyra · 15/12/2022 14:23

It’s another slight hint again.

He didn’t say William was bullying him. The lie was that the statement was from him and William.

So once again something has been left hanging in the air. He hasn’t said William did bully him, but equally didn’t say “obviously he didn’t but the statement shouldn’t have had my name on it without my agreement”.

So if William reacts and refutes being a bully Harry will simply say “that’s not what I said”

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