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Handmaids Tale UK Pace Thread Number 2. No spoilers please!

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NoEffingWay · 14/12/2022 18:01

As the OP for thread 1 seems to have gone awol, here's the continuation thread.

OP posts:
WhyDoesItAlways · 20/12/2022 09:55

CyanCyan · 20/12/2022 09:49

I thought it was strange June would just agree to get on a train going ‘west’ without knowing it’s actual destination. During the boarding scenes (which I also thought were reminiscent of the holocaust) I thought she was going to say something didn’t feel right and turn around. But on the train she seemed to think they were going to Hawaii.

And if Luke really thought they were going to arrest June if they were seen together, why did he walk with her for so long?

I didn't get the impression June believes she is going to Hawaii at all. I think she was talking about blue sea and sky's for Nicholas sake and maybe also to try and convince herself a little bit.

I almost think the little smile she gave to Serena on the train was probably a little nod to the irony that they would end up together but maybe also a strange comfort to have another mother in the same situation as her as a little ally if they were heading for trouble. As much as she hates Serena she's a very cunning lady and probably useful to have around.

TeaStory · 20/12/2022 10:08

I suspect Tuello has lost some power & influence after the disaster of the failed raid.

I knew the “Hard Knock Life” song but didn’t know it was from Annie, I’ve never seen it.

I did not expect Serena to be on the train but I loved the “You have got to be fucking kidding me” expression on June’s face.

I really loved this bit of dialogue:
”Canada isn’t Gilead.”
”America wasn’t Gilead - until it was.”

TeaStory · 20/12/2022 10:08

@WhyDoesItAlways June said “Hawaii” to Nicole.

Poppy160 · 20/12/2022 11:16

Im not sure I trust Tuello. Why does he use the Gilead the greetings when meeting with Nick or other commanders? the times he’s been to Gilead say for Freds funeral nobody seems to mind that he's there and could easily have killed him on their soil. How did Gilead know the raid on the school was happening and not knowing what was on the USB stick.

LadyEloise1 · 20/12/2022 11:46

Poppy160 · 20/12/2022 11:16

Im not sure I trust Tuello. Why does he use the Gilead the greetings when meeting with Nick or other commanders? the times he’s been to Gilead say for Freds funeral nobody seems to mind that he's there and could easily have killed him on their soil. How did Gilead know the raid on the school was happening and not knowing what was on the USB stick.

🤔

walnutmarzipan · 20/12/2022 12:00

I saw elsewhere someone suggested Tuello is CIA

Sodonewiththisshit · 20/12/2022 13:01

TwoDrifters2 · 20/12/2022 01:00

I do not understand Mrs. Mackenzie. I mean, I know she’s a Gilead wife and may be a true believer but when she and June had that chat about Hannah way back when, she seemed to genuinely care for Hannah. She was smiling at the thought of her wheedling a dog out of the Commander etc. and sincerely seemed to care for Hannah’s physical and mental well-being. How can she simply stand by and see her shipped off to a Wife School? Didn’t they say Hannah is only 12 or 13?! What kind of pseudo mother is she?!

That's their belief system.

Darcy101 · 20/12/2022 13:26

My goodness just watched last ep 😮I didn’t see that ending coming at all.

it’s the most anxiety inducing programme I watch - roll on season 6 and hope we don’t have to wait too long!

Annoyed with Nick - the punch wasn’t a smart move 😱

Sodonewiththisshit · 20/12/2022 13:27

The punch was a stupid move and disappointing writing. Plot driven.

XanaduKira · 20/12/2022 13:34

I agree @Sodonewiththisshit - totally unnecessary and Nick would know better in my opinion.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 20/12/2022 13:35

@Poppy160 I thought the road was only able to happen due to the information on the stick that June and Luke provided.

I assumed Tuello used Gilead-speak to show respect to the people he speaks to. He's a diplomat so surely does what he has to do to appear a neutral negotiator?

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 20/12/2022 13:36

Raid! Not Road!!

Poppy160 · 20/12/2022 13:53

Yes your right, I forgot that part about the stick but not had anymore info with what was on it 🤔 that very well could be the case. I could be overthinking it but there’s something about him that rubs me the wrong way 🤔

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 20/12/2022 14:12

TeenDivided · 20/12/2022 09:52

@EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead We know only 8? years or so have happened due to Hannah's age, so I think it isn't unreasonable to think anyone over say 16 might know Annie?

Yes, that makes sense.

CyanCyan · 20/12/2022 14:21

The video arrived on a disk, which is how they found Hannah’s location. As far as I know it hasn’t been revealed what was on the USB stick.

OhAmBackAgain · 20/12/2022 14:23

Holy fuck, I cried my way through that episode 😭

I have literally just finished watching it. off to go digest it now, then catch up on the thread.

Breathmiller · 20/12/2022 14:54

Ooooh....Tuello as a double agent is an interesting premis. I have been taken in by him if he is. But, it might be true.

I loved this last episode. I have felt that the series itself was slow but that was a great ending. As i heard the baby cry in the train I shouted "serena!" 😅😅 which is funny because no one else watches it. Dh looked bemused from under his headphones.

I think Lawrence is such an interesting character. A bit like Serena, one minute you despise them and everything they have done to make Gilead and next moment you see a chink of humanity.

I think Lawrence is ultimately a game player and a survivalist though. He sees ths bigger picture of making good what he created, especially to ease his guilt over the shame his wife felt. But, he wants to do that to make himself feel better. Any casualties on the way don't really matter to him. Nick. June. And June wronged him, in his eyes. Her refusing New Bethlehem where if it all worked out he'd be forgiven his sins then what she told him about the death of his wife, he is furious and would happily give her fate over to the likes of McKenzie. I don't think Lawrence wants to take down Gilead or change Gilead for the people of Gileads sake. But for his own forgiveness. To make him feel better.

IwantToRetire · 20/12/2022 15:50

Sad to say I thought the plotting in this last episode was really contrived and so deliberately trying to get characters in place for the start of the next series.

Why would June walk down the street instead of the pavement, and then even when she heard the car she didn't get on the pavement. Seriously. This is the woman who has kept alive through far worse.

Presumably so that Luke could be written out as he is now facing manslaughter charges and leave June free to go through the will they wont they with Nick. who also totally against character punched Lawrence in public. Not creditable.

But yes as others have said, Lawrence cares not only about Lawrence but about Lawrence's vision of how Gilead should be, so anyone who doesn't cooperate with him is at risk, but those who could be a useful tool are helped. He has no beliefs. He just wants to achieve his goal. (Isn't he meant to be the economics / finance side of Gilead rather than morals, faith etc.)

Only June and Luke left for the train because it was done as an emergency once they realised Luke would be arrested. The train was for Vancouver so that they could then sail to Hawaii. Maybe at this point June really thinks they will get there, but no doubt on the train journey something will happen and she will revert to fight back mode with Serena as her side kick(?!) or leave Nicole with her.

And yes I think once Janine heard about June being attacked and the former Mrs Putnam trying to play at being friends she just thought no, I am not playing this game anymore (and gives the writers of the next series an opportunity to give her a bigger role?). And poor Aunt Lydia with her crush on Janine, so wanting to help her but still wanting her to accept being a Handmaid, and apparently taken in by Janine's faking this. So this will be another demerit against Lydia.

Interesting idea about Tuello being a double agent, but have notice that June has also, in a genuine way, be talking religiously. Something she said after the little girl was nearly killed. I had thought that Serena would get the woman who rescued her (very cross that we weren't shown what happened ie that maybe there are some Canadians still helping refugees from Gilead and America) to take her to Tuello. Well maybe she did and that is how she was on the train, as he seems to have tickets ready to hand out to June and Luke.

I just think that sometimes they dont get the balance right between the politics and machinations on all sides and the action heroine scenes. Quite a disjointed end, but leaves the plot wide open for the next series.

ginghamstarfish · 20/12/2022 16:40

Great tv in that you're always left wondering if things are as they seem. Wonder if Nick wants to be demoted to give him more freedom to spy for Tuello (although more likely to end up on the wall for punching another commander). Rose probably could leave him as she is a commander's daughter and as we know they are all complete hypocrites. How else would she even be there as a disabled person? Any baby born there less than 'perfect' is considered a shredder,, that is killed.
Hard to know what to make of Lawrence.. Clearly someone planted the USB with info about Hannah's location,and Gilead were expecting the raid by US forces. Lawrence trying to show his power?

gingercat02 · 20/12/2022 17:25

Wow what a finale! My thoughts:

Tuello gave Serena false papers

Luke sacrificed himself as payback for leaving June and Hannah in Gilead

Rita can't be a Canadian citizen she hasn't been there that long. If she was Luke and maybe Moira would be too.

Nick punching Lawrence was proof he still loves June hense Rose flouncing

I bet they are all on the train to a holding centre aka jail for later transport to Alaska/Hawaii or off the N American continent entirely. No way will they all waltz off to a beautiful Pacific island to live happily ever after!!!!

Janine went rogue party about June but I think Naomi calling her ofJoseph was the final straw.

Lawrence would have to do the Ceremony now he has a true Gilead wife. His first wife didn't approve so they didn't do it out of his love/respect for her. She killed herself after they were supervised doing it

Any way I don't think I can wait 9 months for the final instalment 😭

OhAmBackAgain · 20/12/2022 17:28

I think Nick is in a whole world of shit, not just for punching Lawrence. But he exposed himself and Lawrence when he did it, the commanders are not stupid and will know who he was referring to when he said you could have killed her, and Lawrence said I didn't order it.

So now they know his has emotional connection to her, and they always suspected she was helped A LOT from one of there own, to escape many times.

Lawrence needs to distance himself as far away from Nick and his former past of helping Mayday so he doesn't go down with Nick. To do that he sold Nick out, and handed over anyone who has any connection to a resistance. Janine had been talking to the Martha who told her about June, That was the Martha who was in the van with her.

Also I think Lawrence did send June the clip of hannah to make her emotional and want to agree to New Bethlehem, But was ready incase she chose give the info to the Americans.

Poppy160 · 20/12/2022 18:13

Yes! Thats it! I can’t believe they would dedicate a whole episode to June and Luke getting the stick and not find out what was on it 🤔

Poppy160 · 20/12/2022 18:21

I also have a little theory about Lawrence he’s either going to end up the ultimate good guy and they want us to to think he's changed sides and we will not find out the good until he’s on the wall or he really has changed sides and he’s gunna be the most evil out of all of them… I really can’t wait for season 6 😭

singleandwingingit · 20/12/2022 18:59

It's a shame we didn't see anything of Emily knowing that she returned to Gilead of her own free will. I wonder what she is plotting and it would have been great to see.

Also the young lady who helped June and Luke (at the bowling alley) and was presumably killed by the landmine, would have loved to know more about him.

Understandably only so much can be packed into an hour long episode but I am just so curious!!!

youngestisapsycho · 20/12/2022 19:28

Why do the Canadians dislike the Americans so much?

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