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Nanalisa60 · 12/11/2022 19:01

Just binge watched it on BBC iPlayer one of the best story’s I have watch in a long time, really really good.

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2ndMrsdeWinter · 04/12/2022 02:10

I’m so glad there’s a thread for this as no one I know has watched it yes. I haven’t cried at a tv series like I did with this one in years - I had tears steaming down my face from beginning to end of episode 6. It was so moving and the scenery was breathtaking.

peaceandove · 04/12/2022 18:43

The end of Episode 6 when Cornelia visits the circus and speaks with the young Indian man -did anyone else notice that the long shots of them were framed as though someone was covertly watching them?

I might be jumping the shark slightly, but could it be Eli???

flowerycurtain · 06/12/2022 21:08

Most beautifully moving thing I've seen in years. The acting was incredible, the chemistry between the leads was palpable. The sadness of the lives of people not so long ago. My great granny was alive when people led lives like that. Production was amazing too.

But I'm afraid none of your endings are correct. What really happens is the Outlander standing stones worked for me on my last holiday to Scotland and whizzed me back to 1890's Nebraska. I'm not sure yet whether I'm just to love Eli from afar and be happy to hear the sound of his beautiful voice or if one day I'll get a red coated hug Grin

upinaballoon · 08/12/2022 22:01

Ep 5 tonight. I smiled when the continuity announcer said, "Will they? Won't they? To be honest they've both got bigger fish to fry."
The 'looking at the stars' scene reminded me of Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe in 'The Last of the Mohicans'. A winning scene - the dark, the stars, the couple.

NotMyDayJob · 09/12/2022 07:11

I would have liked to have seen Emily Blunt riding off into the western sunset, in that respect she would have been 'free' and I think the program could have pulled off the not quite knowing what happened to her. I thought it was a sad ending for her to have to go back to England and live out her life under a veil with a shrine to Eli so she could one day find out the Native American lad was ok. Or perhaps an epilogue of her sitting out as an old lady on the prairie

picklemewalnuts · 10/12/2022 08:14

We've just watched it all. Glorious. I don't really watch, I listen and look up for complicated bits. I missed Cornelia's rape, but sort of knew it anyway.

Thanks for that link, @WotsitsQuavers . Really interesting.

It's shocking how recent this was, that the tribes could have been fully documented and preserved/protected, but weren't considered interesting.

I hated her face blurred in the photo- she asked for the photo so her face could be preserved, despite her illness. It was one more bitter injustice that it wasn't.

When Eli kissed her hair- that was the most moving, intensely emotional hug I've ever seen on TV! Just sublime.

I loved how the characters were set up a bit duplicitously. That we were led to believe Trafford was the bad guy. That even the good men were forced to behave callously to survive.
That Cornelia is depicted as a clueless innocent abroad in the first scenes, but the story unfolds to prove her already a survivor.
That Cornelia (and Trafford, though we don't see it) is trying to preserve her decency, but every attempt she makes not to kill someone results in their brutal death anyway!

The complexity- that the man who commissions Mog's murder because she's a scourge on the area, is actually the one who contributed to her brutalisation.

I wasn't keen on the random bits- how Melmont knew she was coming and set up the hotel character to kill her; the random killing of the trespasser etc.

I wonder whether rewatching helped with any of that?

I was so taken aback by the voices. All beautiful, if slightly mushy (we always watch with subtitles). I didn't expect the indiginous Americans to have the same accents as the settlers. Silly, with hindsight. The couple adopting western clothes sort of hinted at their corruption, I feel.

Gosh. So much to mull upon.

SinnerBoy · 11/12/2022 13:19

I have been watching it, after seeing this thread. I've seen episode 3 and will watch more tonight.

Willmafrockfit · 12/12/2022 08:54

i have also seen 3 but am stalled to continue
must finish it, but it is quite soporific

SinnerBoy · 12/12/2022 09:10

Well, I've finished it now. The ending was a bit unexpected.

WhaleInAManger · 12/12/2022 09:30

This is easily the best thing I've seen on telly in ages.

I fully intend to go back and rewatch it in the New Year when all the festivities have passed.

Willmafrockfit · 14/12/2022 07:39

just seen episode 4
its picking up a bit
finding it hard going.
but am determined to see it through

Willmafrockfit · 16/12/2022 07:18

i thought white moon had died, until she gave him to the doctor.
how did he survive without me seeing

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/12/2022 15:45

I thought it was great - completely gripping until the end. The coda at the end was a bit jarring and out of keeping I thought. It would have done better to end with them both riding off on their separate ways.

I would have liked more background in to her planned life with her fiance - what ed him to go out West and the choices he made. He was at once such an arrogant and tragic figure.

KillingMeDeftly · 16/12/2022 15:56

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/12/2022 15:45

I thought it was great - completely gripping until the end. The coda at the end was a bit jarring and out of keeping I thought. It would have done better to end with them both riding off on their separate ways.

I would have liked more background in to her planned life with her fiance - what ed him to go out West and the choices he made. He was at once such an arrogant and tragic figure.

And it was so clever how, when he's first introduced in ep2, we are convinced that he'll be the villain of the piece.

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/12/2022 15:59

I saw him as a man used to getting his own way in the UK, but who realised quickly that his social position and background meant nothing in this harsh new world but couldn't return home. In the end it destroyed him.

DuchessDandelion · 16/12/2022 17:05

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/12/2022 15:45

I thought it was great - completely gripping until the end. The coda at the end was a bit jarring and out of keeping I thought. It would have done better to end with them both riding off on their separate ways.

I would have liked more background in to her planned life with her fiance - what ed him to go out West and the choices he made. He was at once such an arrogant and tragic figure.

Sorry, what's coda?

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/12/2022 18:22

@DuchessDandelion sorry that was a bit obscure. It is a muscial term, referring to a piece of music that brings a longer bit of music to an end. Sometimes it can stand alone or is different from what went before. I used that as the ending remided me of a coda in that it was clearly an ending bit fely a bit different in tine from the main series.

SinnerBoy · 16/12/2022 18:58

It can also mean that in a literary sense, which was how I took it.

Margrethe · 30/12/2022 13:08

I just finished it phew! I couldn’t sleep last night going over it in my mind.
I keep wondering how Melton was allowed to wander around a near empty town house unaccompanied, and be in a room with a lady all alone. Where were the servants? What was wrong with her father? Everything turned on Melton’s access to her.

As an aside, my family were part of the wave of European settlers to the great plains. It was very tough, but there are no wild stories of violence and brutality. Just hard work, disease and worry about the weather. One great grandmother died in a kerosene fire (very common at the time as this was a cooking, heating, lighting fuel) the other of small pox. Great grandfather died of pneumonia. Grandfather was an orphan by 6 months old. He and is brothers went to work on their uncle’s farm. They worked very hard and felt that they were underfed.
The only comments about “Indians” were a very earnest desire to “save their souls” and to educate them. Educating their own children was a big preoccupation to them, as well.
We all know how disastrous this meddling was. I think it is a lesson of how much harm can be done even when intentions are well meant. A lesson to us all today.

Now family down in Texas were a different story to the prairies. My mother remembers her step-great grandfather being afraid to go to Dallas in the 1950s (they lived in Fort Worth). He had shot a man in Dallas in his youth and escaped by hoping a freight train to San Francisco. We have no details about the altercation. My grandfather did eventually take him for a drive around Dallas and the old man realised that the place had changed beyond all recognition.

Visiting midwestern cousins’ farms in the mid 1970s was nothing but endless, prosperous farms that were “the breadbasket “ of the world. Pink cheeked children, red barns, home made cookies, large kitchen gardens, clapboard farm houses, etc. MidWesterners are considered soft and sweet in American popular culture. They are cheerful and solicitous, they don’t swear, they aren’t sarcastic. Meanwhile we took a trip to the Indian reservation where I was bought a beaded necklace as a trinket. 😞

LouisCatorze · 31/12/2022 13:14

@Margrethe that's fascinating.

When it was super cold a couple of weeks ago, it made me think of the early American settlers (and Laura Ingalls Wilder's account in particular). In one of the books the Ingalls are stuck inside their log cabin through a very long, hard winter. Pa nearly gets frozen to death going out to tend to their cow(s?). How did the cows even survive in those sort of temperatures?

Margrethe · 31/12/2022 16:19

The cows have less surface area, are covered in hair and are huddled together in the barn!

Cattle were lost in hard winters.

upinaballoon · 31/12/2022 16:35

The Beeb has been having ads for various things which are on I Player. Sometimes 'his' voice comes up, saying, "Can you shoot?". Then something else is shown and then you hear 'her' voice say, "If I have to." By that time I'm saying to the TV, "Oh, you'll have to." Lovely voice---no, not mine.🙂

MyNameisMathilda · 20/01/2023 19:11

I have just watched this and loved it. You did have to pay attention to keep up. I googled it and seemingly it is a "revisionist western" where there is no clear good and bad side. I did wonder why she did not stay at the end although they were hinting that he would be more obvious to find with a white woman . I had tears in my eyes. The photograph they took - heartbreaking.

maranella · 25/01/2023 15:01

I finally got round to watching this and I loved it too! So different to anything I've ever seen - particularly on the BBC. Got a serious crush on Eli too - what a hero. I loved that their love story was chaste (necessarily so obviously - not sure it would've been otherwise), but so refreshing after all the graphic sex we get in most shows these days.

The sound of that early machine gun was just brutal - I can still hear it in my head now, but I felt the massacre scene was all the more powerful for just hearing that sound and not seeing the horror of it played out. I loved the strong female characters, loved the cinematography, loved the unpredictability and richness of the story line. What a great series!

MyNameisMathilda · 25/01/2023 17:10

@maranella I agree with you and ditto we did not see the rape scene but got the gist of it.

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