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This is Going to Hurt - starts 8th Feb

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ouch321 · 30/01/2022 17:37

I loved the book of this by Adam Kay. I know others weren't so keen.
BBC has dramatised this and starts in early Feb. Just a heads up for others who liked the book.

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Malibuismysecrethome · 14/02/2022 10:34

Women should be able to give birth by planned c section if that is what they want. We can do our own risk assessments and frankly the thought of the myriad problems if a vaginal delivery goes wrong would make me chose c section every time.

OhWhyNot · 14/02/2022 11:22

There are many things that should happen

Lack of funding/ staffing doesn’t always allow for choices

That’s the reality of working in the NHS. There are a lot more things I would love to be doing that would benefit patients but I’m bogged down with paperwork (which has increased over the pandemic often incentives thought up by those working at home who have little understanding of working with people)

And the meetings Hmm

PhonesInDrawers · 14/02/2022 12:40

I hate how the BBC portrayed Mist's mum as thick as mince who gets all the sayings ridiculously wrong. I thought as a doctor you will happily care for any patient regardless of their IQ or class but seeing that Adam Kay wrote those despicable lyrics about babies with Downs and also about Northern women, he is a sneery entitled prick with huge mummy issues so no surprise there.

His mum was probably rather nice but had her hands full with tricky Adam boy. I mean he must have been a slouching, can't be arsed so and so if his mum still had to remind him to stand straight when he went for his shift at the private maternity hospital. And did he really shag the porter there? Shock That's pretty messed up behaviour.

Back to the point about how Mist's mum was portrayed. Funny that the focus was on how uneducated she seemingly was rather than on his mistake.

The BBC certainly took the opportunity to focus on his gay relationship, which was not much of a topic in the books, probably a target audience thing.

I know males like AK, so friggin convinced of their inherent intellectual superiority over others. They make me laugh because every single time, it's this type of entitled male who just does not measure up, they are the ones who fail, crash and burn again and again. Why? Because they are too busy being incredibly smug about how clever they are, which funnily, they really are not. It's good old fashioned male arrogance mixed with a lack of social skills.

Whitney168 · 14/02/2022 12:49

And did he really shag the porter there? shock That's pretty messed up behaviour.

Surely they showed that as him just fantasising (although he did start having a wank instead, as I remember)?

Malibuismysecrethome · 14/02/2022 13:50

I don’t understand how people who work for the NHS are so accepting of the conditions they work under. There doesn’t seem a will to change for the better ie the enormous sums spent on IT systems that are obsolete almost from their introduction.

reesewithoutaspoon · 14/02/2022 14:06

@Malibuismysecrethome

I don’t understand how people who work for the NHS are so accepting of the conditions they work under. There doesn’t seem a will to change for the better ie the enormous sums spent on IT systems that are obsolete almost from their introduction.
Because we had very little say in any of the financial stuff. You could tell when 'management' had been on a course though because whatever the latest in thing was, was rolled out across the hospital with big fan fairs and most of it was forgotten about in 3 months. Meanwhile, we would be asking repeatedly for pillows for the wards and get told there wasn't the budget for it. We had communication cascades, listening in action lots of emails full of words like 'empowering', 'releasing time to care' ( that was the new computers based charting that took 3 times as long as a normal charting and you could no longer see trends in your patients' condition). Plus they wouldn't pay to upgrade the software so we were still using a dos-based system. undoubtedly someone would be promoted to a role like transformation manager. and absolutely nothing would change on the wards except our jobs became harder, more tick boxes were introduced and less time was spent with patients.
LittleBearPad · 14/02/2022 16:35

@Malibuismysecrethome

I don’t understand how people who work for the NHS are so accepting of the conditions they work under. There doesn’t seem a will to change for the better ie the enormous sums spent on IT systems that are obsolete almost from their introduction.
What are they going to do instead - strike?

They can’t. The newspapers would have their guts for garters and their patients would suffer. They’re buggered.

wealllovepj · 14/02/2022 17:40

SPOILER ALERT ..

It's a bit frivolous but .. I loved PJ and Harry in episode four. P J was only in it for a few minutes, but how sweet was he?
They both deserve their own 'spin off ' show.
Harry was a saint to put up with the horrible Kay.

OhWhyNot · 14/02/2022 19:43

I’m not going to strike

But supported the strike before

Our unit would fall to pieces very quickly we build strong relationships it’s essential to the work

ButtercupOfFlorin · 14/02/2022 21:08

@reesewithoutaspoon your post resonates so much with me - I used to work in the communications team for an NHS trust and was charged with these nonsense posters, in-ward campaigns and trying to find scraps of ‘good news stories’ to pretend the hospitals weren’t sinking. All whilst sitting in meetings with corporate directors who would discuss how they could try and fudge and spin the woeful staff surgery and friends & family results, ignoring the people who did in fact speak out loudly things like “Maybe you could start by just, for once, listening to staff on the ground?”.

I could barely sleep at night knowing I was a part, albeit a small part? of failing patients, and ultimately why I left.

kathleen567 · 14/02/2022 22:12

This brought back a lot of traumatic memories for me. My foundation years particularly were horrendous. I was absolutely exhausted trying to both work and study for exams and I spent a significant amount of time during my time as a junior doctor in clinical depression with burnout. There are some things I witnessed in my early 20s that you shouldn't ever have to and medical school doesn't prepare you for that.

JacquelineCarlyle · 14/02/2022 22:38

That sounds so tough @kathleen567 - are you still a doctor or did you leave the profession?

SmellyOldOwls · 15/02/2022 00:43

Just finished the series, absolutely loved it. Loved Ben Whishaw in it - I thought he played it a bit like a male Julia from Motherland! The fake smile he does Grin non-reassuring Trace made me laugh but Shruti was a stand out character and her journey was amazingly portrayed.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 15/02/2022 06:56

i enjoyed it very much also, trying to recall the first time i saw Ben Wihshaw and realised what an amazing actor he is - i think it was Hollow Crown, and of course A very English scandal.

treeflowercat · 15/02/2022 10:11

I'm not sure what the misogyny fuss is about... This is a drama, based on a book, based loosely on life... Since when do characters in a drama need to be paragons of virtue whose values match those that the viewer agrees with?

Echo chambers of likeminded people are corrosive enough online without insisting that every character portrayed in a drama must also share the same values. Drama without flawed characters would be extremely bland. Perhaps those so upset should stick to CBeebies...

Mooserp · 15/02/2022 11:44

I am part way through the series and I like it. Shruti is a great character and great acting, I'm really invested in what happens to her.

Also loving the humour from Ashley McGuire.

HuffleMyHuffle · 15/02/2022 11:54

@treeflowercat

I'm not sure what the misogyny fuss is about... This is a drama, based on a book, based loosely on life... Since when do characters in a drama need to be paragons of virtue whose values match those that the viewer agrees with?

Echo chambers of likeminded people are corrosive enough online without insisting that every character portrayed in a drama must also share the same values. Drama without flawed characters would be extremely bland. Perhaps those so upset should stick to CBeebies...

Perhaps those so intolerant of a range of different views including critical ones should stick to Netmums?
MrsLargeEmbodied · 15/02/2022 12:00

@HuffleMyHuffle
but this is a TV chat
i find all the arguments about whether or not this is misogynistic quite tedious which is a shame

MrsLargeEmbodied · 15/02/2022 12:01

and it would apply to any TV chat where the thread went off on a tangent arguing the toss

Mooserp · 15/02/2022 13:07

[quote MrsLargeEmbodied]@HuffleMyHuffle
but this is a TV chat
i find all the arguments about whether or not this is misogynistic quite tedious which is a shame[/quote]
I agree. Both discussions are interesting, but maybe a new thread is needed to just talk about the show and this thread could carry on with discussions more around Adam Kay and people's hospital experiences?

treeflowercat · 15/02/2022 14:32

[quote MrsLargeEmbodied]@HuffleMyHuffle
but this is a TV chat
i find all the arguments about whether or not this is misogynistic quite tedious which is a shame[/quote]
Yes, I'm not sure why a drama where certain characters behave in ways which are arguably misogynistic is being conflated with the drama being misogynistic?! It's bizarre...

If you watched a drama about 18th century America that where a character owned black slaves, would these people condemn the drama as "racist"!?

I think some of these posters are ok if the main protagonists (goodies) are "worthy" and pure from an equalities perspective, as long as it's only the "baddies" that have character flaws and behave in racist/sexist/disableist ways, it's a shame people like in such a childish world where dramas have to conform and promote their worldview or otherwise be offensive. It's the progressive version of the censorship in totalitarian countries where every programme has to promote the regime and its values.

Adam Kay is portrayed as having attitudes and behaviours that many would see as flawed and jarring. That's ok, he's not being portrayed as a role model, and it doesn't mean that he can't be a subject of a storyline that is engaging and entertaining to watch.

SilverGlassHare · 15/02/2022 15:44

@treeflowercat very well said.

CorneliusVetch · 15/02/2022 18:26

@treeflowercat

But this is a comedy. The comparison would be if there was an 18th century programme in which a character owned slaves and these slaves were the butt of jokes and subject of disparaging remarks.

I don’t think this means TIGTH shouldn’t have been made by the way, but I think women have the right to feel upset at the way it mocks women.

SilverGlassHare · 15/02/2022 19:21

But it’s not actually a comedy.

SilverGlassHare · 15/02/2022 19:22

And what jokes there are, aren’t really directed at the women (with the exception of the dolphin tattoo racist bit).