24 hours in police custody

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Is anyone watching?
These parents are GUILTY!!

She has got pregnant again hasn't she?

I was just gobsmacked that the injuries happened on the morning school run, and she didn't do anything about it until calling the doctors at 2.30pm who told her to ring 999 straightaway. She didn't ring them until 3pm when Teddie stopped breathing. She knew what he'd done.

Did any one else think he was actually laughing when he was fake crying. Probably thinking how he's fooling everyone (in his pea brain).

And yes I couldn't understand the Mother at all. Devoid of emotion, empathy for her own baby. Seemed determined he wouldn't hurt the baby despite abusing her. Who else could it have been then?! Neither of them had any light behind their eyes just dark holes.

Vile, vile, evil pair, who just have nothing positive to contribute to the world. There are thousands like them out there which is even more terrifying.

Awful for their neighbours, I hope they were offered counselling for their trauma.

I did. It looked like he was trying but failing not to smile.

Maybe it was confirmation for him that he'd killed someone else's baby rather than his own. And not only was it someone else's, it was the baby of his predecessor, they guy he "stole" her from. He probably got some smug satisfaction from that.

I wondered about that too @ElephantOfRisk, almost like a relief.

I saw his barely concealed smirk as spite.

I think he knew fine he wasn’t the dad.

I’m glad that he had an appropriate adult as the police covered any possible future argument.

Like others, I do think it was a deliberate attempt to muddy the water for a defence of sorts - just in case.

There is no defence for people like that, who commit crimes like that. None.

He already knew it wasn't his child even the neighbours worked that one out that's why he was so comfortable to cause catastrophic injuries to a defenceless infant because it wasn't his, Teddie was disposable to him even with his threats by text that he will leave him on his own if the mother didn't return from the park.

Him crying hysterically at the start knowing full well he was responsible for it acting out as if he was the most caring father and did everything he possibly could to save his life and doing the same type of crying when it was revealed that he wasn't the real father was all a act. What angers me there is no remorse, no emotions for all the pain he is inflicted on this poor defenceless infant and from the mother too. Mother is more concerned about covering her monster boyfriends tracks, the monster is concerned he can't walk from a wheelchair to a police car with crutches without a trained specialist. You've killed a defenceless baby ffs. The sentences for both sides is a joke. How will they ever accept responsibility if the punishments are so short.

I don't believe either of them knew for sure who Teddie's biological father was. They were both cheating on their partners months before they were officially together.

Yes, the neighbours know that the previous partner was in the house when she became pregnant and that the murderer moved in after she must have been pregnant but they may not have seen that she was having sex with someone else.

I think he mainly suspected Teddie wasn't his but she kept trying to convince him that he was, she'd probably been telling him that she wasn't having sex with her current partner while she was sleeping with him. She'd know that she had two of them on the go at the same time but probably thought that whoever she was with more was more likely to be the dad.

The jealousy and questionable paternity possibly fuelled a lot of the arguments.

Finished watching this heartbreaking programme today and here's my thoughts -
She is just as cold hearted as him, I could feel sympathy if I thought she was absolutely petrified of him but she came across as nasty, confrontational, also quick to anger. Like others have said, she could have been looking at a shopping list instead of that of her baby's long term injuries. Any loving parent would be be horrified maybe put their hand over their mouth in shock, ask could it be a mistake or want to know if there's any other possible explanation?
But no, it wasn't news to her as she already knew how this baby had been treated. She lied when she said he wouldn't hurt any of the children even if he hurt her. She had seen him be violent towards her eldest child but didn't do anything.
She had opportunities to get help, e.g. the woman in the car who told the police that she had asked if she was okay.
I honestly thought she seemed more concerned about her hair and makeup in front of the cameras.
As for him, I don't think he is of low intelligence quite the opposite. He's very articulate, cunning, manipulative.

Did anyone else think that Kane came across a effeminate and on occasion a little camp? Whilst watching the second part I did start to (jump to conclusions) and wonder if he could actually be gay and his anger and aggression are partly down to trying to covering this up. He's clearly had a terrible upbringing and must've faced some kind of abuse himself. neither of them have a clue what a normal relationship looks like.

So upsetting. What that baby endured is beyond comprehension.

If you look them up on Facebook, Lucci has a new boyfriend and she’s pregnant by him. This new man was selling Teddie’s Moses basket on Facebook marketplace, the one that was shown beside Lucci’s bed

I have similar videos of a neighbour shouting as was shown. Reported to police and SS. Man concerned still living with the woman and her children.

I think he was a simple case of someone who ‘runs hot’ emotionally with no ability at all to control those emotions. I felt when we saw him crying (when Teddie was taken to hospital, when he found out he wasn’t the biological father), those emotions were as genuine as the bare, uncontrolled rage we heard in the recordings of him shouting at Lucci. It was just like someone had turned the tap on full and it all comes flooding out with no ability to turn it down.

Lucci seemed to be almost the opposite, and hard to read because of it. Was she simply a master of concealing and suppressing her emotions? The interview we saw with her right at the start (‘last year I had everything, now look at me’) was delivered in such a casual ‘you win some, you lose some’ way. And the interviews with the police, she came across a petulant teen being quizzed about shoplifting nail varnishes from Superdrug, not about the murder of her own baby. Had she just become used to throwing up a wall so successfully that she didn’t betray the emotions she was experiencing, or did she just not experience those emotions at all?

@AutumnLeaves22

Did anyone else think that Kane came across a effeminate and on occasion a little camp? Whilst watching the second part I did start to (jump to conclusions) and wonder if he could actually be gay and his anger and aggression are partly down to trying to covering this up. He's clearly had a terrible upbringing and must've faced some kind of abuse himself. neither of them have a clue what a normal relationship looks like.

Yes. I asked the same question upthread a few days ago and had also jumped to the same conclusion.

@AutumnLeaves22

Did anyone else think that Kane came across a effeminate and on occasion a little camp? Whilst watching the second part I did start to (jump to conclusions) and wonder if he could actually be gay and his anger and aggression are partly down to trying to covering this up. He's clearly had a terrible upbringing and must've faced some kind of abuse himself. neither of them have a clue what a normal relationship looks like.

I also noticed and wondered the same thing.

@RunningFromInsanity

She already has another baby with another man…

Ffs

I felt when we saw him crying (when Teddie was taken to hospital, when he found out he wasn’t the biological father), those emotions were as genuine as the bare, uncontrolled rage we heard in the recordings of him shouting at Lucci

He knew very well he wasn't the father. His amateur dramatics didn't win him much sympathy as he repeatedly tried to take control.

If she's pregnant again, I hope SS step in this time. The interview with her eldest was heartbreaking in its clarity from such a young child. Thank goodness they're out of that now, but there will be so many others not so lucky.

If those emotions were real, there would've been tears, maybe even streaming from the noise given how 'upset' he appeared

He covered his face because there were no tears. He suspected already (hence the vicious jealous ness, aggression) and resented the baby

I watched it again, as I missed some of the first episodes. It's interesting to study the body language in light of knowing the outcome. The complete lack of genuine emotion is absolutely chilling. The police gave Lucci so many opportunities to ask for help to get out of the relationship, and admit there was violence. All Lucci is bothered about is how great her life was a year ago. No mention of Teddie at all. Very very odd and very sad.

And I agree that Kaine definitely smirked when he was told Teddie wasn't his. Evil bastard. There are no words bad enough for that scum.

I felt when we saw him crying (when Teddie was taken to hospital, when he found out he wasn’t the biological father), those emotions were as genuine as the bare, uncontrolled rage we heard in the recordings of him shouting at Lucci

I really don’t think they were at all genuine, particularly when Teddie was taken to hospital and also when he was arrested. He knew he should be portraying a certain emotion but had no idea how to do it at all.

I also disagree with someone upthread who said they thought he was intelligent. Everything about him screamed of someone who thinks they’re better in every way than they are (probably because at a base level they realise that they’re inadequate and are overcompensating for that). The screaming for a professional to help him stand from a wheelchair, needing a physio to do it, knowing his rights, was all total bollocks aimed at regaining some control in a very clumsy way. Very typical of a certain type of person.

He might have been able to squeeze out one or two tears but that man was not crying. He wasn’t sorry. He wasn’t sad. He was not distraught.

He clearly was smirking when he got told he was not the dad.

I suspect the bluff and bluster, shouting and histrionics were what he thought he should be doing.

But all the while there was a seething proper rage bubbling away there. As was evident in the recordings of him shouting at her.

Her? I’ve no idea. As others have said she was so hard to fathom.

Was she numb to it all? I don’t know. There was an indifference that was chilling.

I cannot believe her new fellas fb has that poor baby's crib for sale on it beyond belief!

@salsmum

I cannot believe her new fellas fb has that poor baby's crib for sale on it beyond belief!

How do you know it’s that crib?

@AutumnLeaves22 definitely in fact I've just watched from the very beginning the police interview and I thought it was a woman speaking initially when it was jn fact him. Could he be gay or even trans ??

What sort of man gets involved with a woman who allowed her baby to be murdered ??