24 hours in police custody

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Is anyone watching?
These parents are GUILTY!!

@MsTSwift

Obviously both very thick damaged people. Did he not have a job? Both Sitting around a tiny flat (no doubt paid for by tax payers) breeding more and more babies they can’t support financially emotionally or intellectually.. Depressing.

It is thoroughly depressing, I completely agree.

@whatsthestory123

as strange as it may sound i think the open facebook and picture of teddy is for attention,they dont think like normal people

Everything on his and hers is open. It madness. You'd think his family or someone would get it shut down.

I watched it whilst ironing yesterday. I had my headphones in and when Kane was screaming at the front door it really scared me. Daft but because it was right in my ears it felt like he was right there. Must have been terrifying for the neighbours and those poor children.
I cried more than once and didn't want to continue but felt like Teddie's name should be known.
One thing I did wonder right at the end was it Luccie's 'tears' when she found out that Teddie wasn't Kane's was because she had convinced herself that he wouldn't hurt his own son. So when she had it confirmed by the police (even though she 100% knew deep down) she realised that he had done it? Dunno just a thought.

I'm presuming we didn't see all the police interviews because they didn't seem to go into much questioning on what either of them thought had happened if it wasn't them. e.g. if she kept insisting that he hadn't' done anything and she and he were the only carers, should or did they push that it therefore must have been her?

tbh I'm not entirely convinced that she wasn't also involved beyond just "not noticing". I mean she had previous children, you'd surely notice if they had a broken pelvis or ribs or collarbone etc? Maybe she was worried that at some point he would want a paternity test or that Teddie would start to look like his real dad?

It genuinely was the most depressing thing I've watched for a long time..

Watching it now and cannot get over her level of denial. And the small percentage of him not being the dad? Weird.

Actually, maybe not weird, maybe they are the kind of people who can make themselves believe things if they say them often enough.

The audio of the eldest child being interviewed was utterly harrowing.

Yes, @inigomontoyahwillcox - that makes it harder to sympathize with her for me, even if the baby couldn't tell her, the kids clearly could.

@CassieJumped
Yeah I thought something similar but he allegedly didn’t know Teddy wasn’t his until the police told him

I do feel sorry for Lucci really; I hope she goes on the freedom programme and gets some counselling. She’s clearly very damaged

Nothing on the programme about whether the other children were checked for injuries , and did they not try to charge him with anything for the abuse of the other children given the child's account of what he did ?

It's just so so sad, doesn't that behaviour just go against all human instincts and I know what psychology says about how these monsters are created but no amount of abuse/neglect in their own past can justify what they did.

What actually happened and the actions/events that took place to cause poor Teddie those injuries is just too horrific to even think about.

@MsTSwift

Obviously both very thick damaged people. Did he not have a job? Both Sitting around a tiny flat (no doubt paid for by tax payers) breeding more and more babies they can’t support financially emotionally or intellectually.. Depressing.

No idea about him - but she had a cleaning job - it was mentioned when they were going through the timeline of the morning Teddie was fatally injured.

I've just watched part 2. Two bloody years for her. Fucking hell.

@oatmilk4breakfast

Agree. I thought her opening statement was all about her, about the life she had lost. Was genuinely horrifying to hear it and realise what you should have been hearing - ie gutwrenching grief about her baby... ?? She must have been abused herself.

Many people are abused and don't go on to abuse or kill their children. Please don't perpetuate this often wrong and offensive trope. Everyone can still make their own choices.

Me too! Is it meant to be pronounced like Gucci or Pucci?

Idiotic name spellings and low intellect go hand in hand.

She was named by her parents..

He only had an appropriate adult in his last interview am wondering if it was because he had a head injury after running into the van and the Police didn't want to give him any excuse to get off on a technically.

@surreymum89 the other children are usually brought in for a child protection medical. So yes they would have been seen by a paediatrician.

The children would also have been taken to 'a place of safety'

,males like him dont work he is the classic cock lodger

@Tomanyhandbags

He only had an appropriate adult in his last interview am wondering if it was because he had a head injury after running into the van and the Police didn't want to give him any excuse to get off on a technically.

He had one in his first interview too. Face was blanked out and the room set up was slightly different

@ElephantOfRisk

I'm presuming we didn't see all the police interviews because they didn't seem to go into much questioning on what either of them thought had happened if it wasn't them. e.g. if she kept insisting that he hadn't' done anything and she and he were the only carers, should or did they push that it therefore must have been her?

tbh I'm not entirely convinced that she wasn't also involved beyond just "not noticing". I mean she had previous children, you'd surely notice if they had a broken pelvis or ribs or collarbone etc? Maybe she was worried that at some point he would want a paternity test or that Teddie would start to look like his real dad?

Yes I thought they might go down the 'well one of you did it, so if it wasn't him was it you?' Line of questioning. Or ask her more directly what happened to the baby? How did he get these injuries? But I think they treated her very gently considering her to be as much a victim of his. I thought she has every opportunity to open up. Was she in denial?? Surely she must have admitted it to herself? Why continue to cover up? I couldn't figure her out at all. I was shocked at how she covered for him when the police came to the flat called by a neighbour. Saying he never laid a hand on her etc.

Just finished watching this and I’m disgusted by both of these ‘humans’. She is just as culpable as him in my opinion, allowing him to murder her defenceless baby. Poor Teddie, and his older siblings who will have to live with the lifelong damage caused to them by him and they’re so-called mother who allowed it to happen.
The only time you saw her cry was when they said he wasn’t the Father, yet she sat there looking at the body map of her own babies injuries like it was a bloody leaflet she had received through the door. He’s an animal, she’s just as bad.

Sorry my mistake thought that was a solicitor especially as they made a point of saying in the last interview he had an appropriate adult to make sure he understood the questions, just assumed it was to make sure he didn't have a loophole so could wriggle out of any charges cos he so obviously knows his human rights,unfortunately for Teddie he missed the one about living free from harm and fear.

I've just watched this and it's so upsetting. Teddie was born the same year as my dc and it got me thinking what kind of life Teddie would have had if only he was born in a different family. The mother cried when she found out that about the DNA profiling but didn't even bat a eyelid when they were showing images of a infant skeleton on where the injuries were inflicted. That image alone made me cry and I'm a stranger watching from TV. The viewers, the police officers had more emotions than this mother. She was more worried about covering for monster cocklodger than for her own child. I can't believe the sentencing for her, absolute joke.

What will happen if she gets pregnant again? Would the authorities take the child away from her from now on every time she gives birth because I don't think she will ever get what why she has been punished. That poor child explaining the abuse giving evidence, no she should be put for life and that Kane should get more years added. Did you see how cooperative he was at the start and ended up being the most difficult person dithering around making it impossible to move him from his wheelchair to the police car. The police officers have some patience because watching that I just felt like kicking his crutches and making him crawl on his broken elbows to the car.