BBC 2 9pm Don't Exclude Me

[Snowdropsandbluebells]

Anyone watching?
It's an eye opener.

I EHE my youngest and that's largely due to the fall out of the tribunal to get DS3 out of mainstream as his school actively opposed me.
DS3 school really just wanted to create a situation where I withdrew him and didn't expose what had been going on.

I'm not "scared to admit" DS3 disrupted others but EHE wouldn't have been great for him. Particularly as the government is increasingly anti-EHE.

what point was it shown in the programme?
i want to go back and see it again after reading some of these comments

the hold i mean

what's EHE??

EHE - Elective Home Education

I couldn't tell you precisely but I'd try around 20 minutes in for the MG hold. There's a school hold more towards the end.

So home schooling? i've never heard it referred to as EHE before.

EHE is the correct term in the UK. It's important as it's not about re-creating a school at home, you don't have to follow National Curriculum etc

Team teach who trained the staff at the school are of the opinion that the restraint was unnecessary and the technique used by the 'expert' was not one of theirs. They are going to get in contact with the school regarding this. That speaks volumes if anyone still believes that it was justified/appropriate.

yes i thought it was a given that home schooling doesn't have to be about recreating school unless you want it to.

can i ask how Oscar should have been dealt with?
I am interested to know more
And i can see how it would be traumatic to be restrained

It's not 'unpc' to have empathy for all the kids - ones with SEND and the rest of the class - not at all. It's not difficult to empathise at all and it isn't an 'either' 'or' empathy either. Like someone said just below - 'it's shit for everyone'

What is unpleasant - and deeply concerning are those posters that 'other' and blame disabled children who are trapped in a situation not of their or their parents or teachers making through no fault of their own.

A couple on here have blamed the parents
that makes me really sad

(and i don't have a child that has any additional needs)

@purpleme12

can i ask how Oscar should have been dealt with? I am interested to know more And i can see how it would be traumatic to be restrained

From what I saw in would have removed the other child inside and also told the bloke to step back and inside - the kids anger was at him and so his presence could have been causing his anger to remain.

I'd have made sure all the doors inside were shut and locked (if that could be done) so he couldn't be going inside and creating a danger to himself and others.

And I would t have worried about him falling over. It wasn't really a problem and he wasn't injured and I certainly wouldn't have victimed blamed like I felt she did (she made some comment about it being his fault).

I'd have tried running alongside him but at a distance. Presiding him to running when he was angry and trying to use it as a way to calm down and suggesting when he was ready we could sit and chat. Everything would be about making him feel his actions were ok, teaching him a way to deal with it and offering him a way out.

I would have used an escort if he had tried to climb something or had been hitting or kicking the glass doors as that would have been creating a danger to him.

And if I did need to use a restraint as a last resort I would not have sat him like she did or asked others to come over and hold his legs. I'd have asked them to be behind me out of sight as backup but out of sight so he didn't feel started at and trapped and like an exhibition.

I can't understand the posts about the parents, Oscar's parents did everything asked and he was still struggling at school.

I just couldn't see why he needed restraint in the playground, it looked no more to me than MG was frustrated that her taking over didn't have the desired response from Oscar and she escalated. The jumper grab looked particularly clumsy to me.

I think in general the staff were using too much language and at a higher level that Oscar could understand. He seemed to have taken the Good Brain/Bad Brain from the Deputy Head quite literally and I think that must be quite frightening. I asked my 6 and 8 year olds if they knew what an ally was and neither did (his class teacher).

think MG pitched much better but I am not convinced on the volumes of language with an agitated young child. But that's because my son finds it very triggering so it might well be appropriate for others.

I think a full sensory assessment of Oscar would give good insights and give strategies to prevent and also SALT. He seemed to me to struggle with processing. They introduced visuals at home but they didn't mention the same at school. At the end, his class teacher said he was actually a very kind boy with complex needs, so hopefully he is being looked at differently

and devote these precious scarce resources to the good kids who want to learn.

Yesy, but most children or even people have good times and bad times in their lives. Perhaps a child wants to learn but is being bullied, perhaps the child is the bully (eg whilst a new baby has arrived in the home). Do we just exclude them will nilly?

Almost no one is always perfect.

Absolutely this!

i though the hold technique was very extreme and looked awful, i have trained (years ago ) in descalations and no way would we every think this was appropriate for such a small child.

it looked awful and the repetition in scripts may work but it just didn't sit well with me. I really felt for the child and think he was watch this as an adult and have many questions on how he was treated. especially as entertainment for the BBC.

I could understand if the programme are for schools only but not for everyong on public tv.

My quote doesn't seem to have posted, that was absolutely this to itsgettingwierd's comment.

So home schooling? i've never heard it referred to as EHE before.

Hardly anyone who actually home educates in the UK refers to it as homeschooling; that's an American term.

Just seen the response from Magic Behaviour on Twitter

@Puisanceel

So home schooling? i've never heard it referred to as EHE before.

Hardly anyone who actually home educates in the UK refers to it as homeschooling; that's an American term.

That's strange cos I've only ever heard it referred to as home schooling (a lot by a lot of people) and never heard it as EHE until this thread

@GreatestHits

They all had special needs - special needs are determined by just that - needs. Not just diagnosis. They all had needs that were over and above the needs of an average child.

The answer is obvious: more early help, support services, funding and specialist support/ provision for children with additional needs. And all the above without waiting several years on a waiting list for assessment, without long winded and paperwork heavy funding applications. And mist of all - hold LAs properly to account for breaking the law.

This is assuming that the "help", "support" "provision" whatever you are calling it actually exists at all.

It is not necessarily a case of money or resources, but on their being no strategy, resource or help that would be effective for that child.

We accept that there is sometimes no known treatment effective for physical problems, but are blind to the fact that there can equally be no known treatment for problems such as this

@GreatestHits

Well that's the problem when children with SEND don't get the support they need. It ultimately affects everyone, not just the kids themselves. That's why everyone should be campaigning for better SEND provision 😇

For some children there are simply no interventions that would be effective, no matter how much money was spent on them. Saying we need better provision simply doesn't touch the issue