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The Handmaids Tale S4 at C4 pace (no spoilers) thread 3

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MotionActivatedDog · 27/07/2021 09:45

New thread!

Why would Canada send Serena back to Gilead? They want to prosecute her for war crimes.

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MotionActivatedDog · 02/08/2021 13:04

Hmm I'm not convinced about Tuello. I think he might not be quite as much on June's side as he should be.

Well he’s not on June’s side anyway. He’s on the prosecution’s side. June is just a witness for his case. June also happens to want the Waterford’s prosecuted so she is on the same side as tuello for that purpose.

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Crinkle77 · 02/08/2021 13:12

@InglouriousBasterd

Emily definitely carried Oliver - they asked her at the airport and that’s what sealed her fate as a handmaid.

The sex scene was difficult to watch - I think the comment Moira made about how Gilead made them all messed up about sex hit home and she didn’t want Gilead to have that power over her, she wanted to regain control.

I thought that Emily carried Oliver but her wife provided the egg so technically it was her wife's child so that's why she was allowed to take him to Canada.
RiaOverTheRainbow · 02/08/2021 13:21

Oliver has duel citizenship, Gilead (at least at that point) had no power to detain foreign nationals. Emily carried him, I don't think we know his genetic parentage but I assumed she was his biological mother.

WorldsBestBoss · 02/08/2021 13:21

[quote onlyreadingneverposting8]@YoutubeZoom I thought exactly the same! This was why I came onto the thread this morning to see if others thought the same. June was definitely talking about herself....& I feel like the warning to run was to Luke. [/quote]
Yes I also felt the warning was to poor Luke 😟

InglouriousBasterd · 02/08/2021 13:26

I just rewatched the airport scene with Emily and her family and they never responded to the question as to whether it was her egg or an implanted embryo - they zoomed out at that moment - so I wonder, would they have kept Emily if it was implanted? Or would they only have been interested in her as a handmaids if she had conceived via donor? Both would have shown possible fertility. I’m pondering what their guidelines would have been at that point.

Oliver has dual citizenship as her wife was Canadian so he couldn’t be denied travel.

ElephantOfRisk · 02/08/2021 13:31

If serena has the baby whilst in Canada could they keep him as a canadian citizen?

YoutubeZoom · 02/08/2021 13:51

@onlyreadingneverposting8 and @WorldsBestBoss Thank you. I do not feel so dark and twisted now.

Soubriquet · 02/08/2021 14:11

I’m also surprised they let Serena go near Fred. I mean, they can, and are, plot a way to get out of it

TheSpottedZebra · 02/08/2021 14:21

Emily's wife is Canadian, so Oliver is too. Emily had thought she could leave Gilead as the spouse of a foreign national but was told that their marriage wasn't valid (to Gilead) as they are both women. Hence Emily couldn't leave.

Saidtoomuch · 02/08/2021 14:51

Just caught up. She did just rape Luke, didn't she? When they were playing with baby Nichole the next day forward split second his face changed when he looked at June. It isn't exactly steering towards a happy ending.

oneglassandpuzzled · 02/08/2021 14:55

It was a disturbing scene, that sex scene with Luke. I wonder if he's become a kind of proxy male for all the men who've abused the women of Gilead or let them be abused (even just by managing to get out themselves).

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/08/2021 15:36

To be honest I couldn't tell whether the sex scene was disturbing or not as I couldn't see much (it was too dark) or hear anything (combination of their mumbling and my hearing). I had subtitles on at first so I heard/read the mumblings about getting therapy etc for June but it was out of sync so I turned it off. The impression I got of the sex was that he was surprised but not necessarily that it was rape.

Tightwad2020 · 02/08/2021 16:06

I know it made good telly, with June finally able to tell Serena exactly what she thinks of her, but it really didn't ring true for me.

Yup, there's no way that June would have been able to waltz in there unsupervised. Or that Serena would be allowed to have little strategy meetings with her husband (that is nuttier still, in a series that takes nutty to new limits).

I guess they are going to collude (because the Canadian government is, unimaginably, allowing them to do so) to undermine June's testimony. Misogyny is everywhere, even in Canada! Serena will go free to have her baby. I would like to see her in prison, her baby taken away from her. But I suspect this is going to be strung out over another series at least, and that can only be done by dragging on the Serena angle.

Perhaps the baby will have some high special needs, and both Serena and Fred will reject it. (Him? do they know the sex already? did I miss that? or is it just Fred's ego?)

June is very manipulative (a good thing too, in some circumstances) and the speech at the end was about her. But she's also become a very bad judge of her own character - she's so twisted up with guilt and pain. She might just run back to Gilead because she doesn't know how to be anywhere else. Even though logically she must know that she stands more chance of getting Hannah back from Canada.

BobGalaxy · 02/08/2021 16:15

@Saidtoomuch

Just caught up. She did just rape Luke, didn't she? When they were playing with baby Nichole the next day forward split second his face changed when he looked at June. It isn't exactly steering towards a happy ending.
Yes I noticed he frowned as he looked at June at the exact moment her voiceover said "rape you" when she was listing the things that Serena does to get what she wants
TheMoth · 02/08/2021 16:16

In the book, weren't there babies who were 'shredders'? Deformed in some way etc? Not sure we ever really had that in the TV series. Wonder if that might be a way of bringing that in.

Unless Serena has been impregnated as part of the deal she made. But then, she wouldn't be surprised, would she? I'm still not convinced it can be Fred's though.

dapsnotplimsolls · 02/08/2021 16:21

@TheMoth

In the book, weren't there babies who were 'shredders'? Deformed in some way etc? Not sure we ever really had that in the TV series. Wonder if that might be a way of bringing that in.

Unless Serena has been impregnated as part of the deal she made. But then, she wouldn't be surprised, would she? I'm still not convinced it can be Fred's though.

We've definitely had 'shredders' in the tv series too.
OverByYer · 02/08/2021 16:40

Women can’t commit rape, you can only rape someone of you have a penis.

It was akin to rape though as she was exerting power over Luke. She was totally wrapped up in herself and her own pleasure, almost to the point of anger.

OverByYer · 02/08/2021 16:42

Scrub that it was angry

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 02/08/2021 16:51

@OverByYer

Women can’t commit rape, you can only rape someone of you have a penis.

It was akin to rape though as she was exerting power over Luke. She was totally wrapped up in herself and her own pleasure, almost to the point of anger.

Women can only rape by law in the UK That doesn't mean women can't rape morally or factually
Soubriquet · 02/08/2021 17:10

And in America, I’m sure a woman can still commit rape

CurbsideProphet · 02/08/2021 17:24

@TheMoth Serena and Fred had sex on their way to Canada so it wouldn't really make any sense if there was a sudden announcement that Serena had found time to have sex with another man in the same week.
Great theory that the baby has a disability that causes Serena and / or Fred to reject it, maybe based on the belief that it's a punishment from God.

GoingGently · 02/08/2021 17:26

June inflicted non-consensual sex on Luke...not sure what you'd call that other than rape?

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 02/08/2021 17:28

Sorry men not women in post above

EBearhug · 02/08/2021 17:39

June inflicted non-consensual sex on Luke...not sure what you'd call that other than rape?

In the UK, rape has to involve a penis. In the UK, I think it would be some sort of sexual assault. In other countries, it would count as rape. It is legal semantics according to the jurisdiction you're in. I don't know about Canada, and I particularly don't know about Canada in a dystopian world that includes Gilead.

Saidtoomuch · 02/08/2021 17:40

I missed "shredders" what the hell is that all about, or am I best not knowing Shock

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