Whose DNA?: Line of Duty thread 6 -May I remind you to post to the letter of the MN law, the letter - no spoilers or you will be served with a reg 15.

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In preparation as we know we will need a new thread for tomorrow night.

Then she didn’t give much info and shouldn’t have got protection IMO

So Tommy and sex with his sister and the result is Jo. I am thinking out loud here and along the lines of Eastenders, could Tommy have been raped by his sister? I don’t think we know the identity of the sister yet do we?

I'd just like to preen a bit that it was moi, way back on the last thread who first said it would all link back to the Boys' Home.

I now think it was Ryan who was killed, possibly shot by Jo. Jo will survive to explain about being brought up thinking that Mr Davidson, who her mother married after she was born, was her father. Until she discovered he wasn't, around the time she joined the police and that was when the OCG got her in its clutches.

Ted is not H and is not corrupt. As has been pointed out many times, he would have a much more comfortable lifestyle to show for it if he was. Sindwani has charged him to sort things before his time's up and, like an ageing knight, he has buckled on his armour once more and sallied forth into battle.

He will succeed in exposing Osborne and others and AC12 will survive under a reinstated Sindwani, to go after Nesbitt. He'll retire in S7, having handed over to... someone.

I'd love Ted to interrogate Nesbitt in the Aquarium. Imagine the dialogue!

I reckon Tommy is jo’s father and uncle and that’s the hold they have over her. Threatening to reveal she’s the result of incest.wasn’t he a paedo anyway? Raping his own sister wouldn’t be out of the question.
If she was put up for adoption as a baby and later tracked down her mum as an adult it could have come out then. And explain why background checks didn’t show a link to the Hunter clan when she joined the force.

If Ted is corrupt I reckon it’ll be for some semi decent reason, like trying to work the bad guys from the inside rather than purely for dosh.
But I’ve spent some time with AD and he’s a lovely fella altogether so I can’t believe he’s evil!!

@AC12theletterofthelaw

So Tommy and sex with his sister and the result is Jo. I am thinking out loud here and along the lines of Eastenders, could Tommy have been raped by his sister? I don’t think we know the identity of the sister yet do we?

No, because a woman can't rape a man by having penetrative sex (PIV) with him due to the wording of the offence. She may have sexually assaulted him, however.

@AC12theletterofthelaw

So Tommy and sex with his sister and the result is Jo. I am thinking out loud here and along the lines of Eastenders, could Tommy have been raped by his sister? I don’t think we know the identity of the sister yet do we?

As Tommy was a minor any sex is always rape. However we don’t know how old the sister was, so if she was also a minor that would change things.

I just don't think Jo's parentage is a big enough hold for her to be doing the OCG's bidding. You can't help who your parents are and can easily be explained away to the police, particularly if she didn't know until she was an adult. There must be something else.

@Buggerthebotox

Ted definately is the misspeller. That's three times now: on the web chat thing, on the meeting with H thjng in the shopping centre and now on the webchat with Jo.

So Lee Banks is Carl's brother.

Clever mirroring of the Steven Lawrence case - even down to the 5 suspects with a gangster father. The victim even looked like Lawrence!

Chloe has something to to with the victim I reckon hence her distress. I wonder what?

And Thurwell from s3 - I wondered what happened to him. And it's - ta da - James Nesbitt. I didn't see that coming.

I haven't RTFT as rather tediously, I've had to work. But the Lawrence Christopher story line is from both Stephen Lawrence and Christopher Adler and their features were merged to create the photo of Lawrence Christopher . I was so upset at that, and I feel ignorant for not knowing more.

I'm still processing last nights show. I really hope Kate wasn't shot

When Steve was sitting in his car talking to Steph on the phone, there seemed to be a lot of side-shots of him. At one point he even started to look a bit like the bloke with the big beard who left the burner phone for Jo back in Ep1 (this was before big-beard-bloke was shot).

I have never thought that Steve was bent but at that point a little smidgen of doubt crept into my mind. Thankfully all came good and I got back in control of my senses.

I wonder if JM was playing with us with those shots? Did anyone else notice and think the same thing?

@PrincessScarlett

I just don't think Jo's parentage is a big enough hold for her to be doing the OCG's bidding. You can't help who your parents are and can easily be explained away to the police, particularly if she didn't know until she was an adult. There must be something else.

I agree. But what could it be?!

@NoWordForFluffy I can only assume she is protecting someone. Maybe the OCG have threatened to kill Farida? Or someone else who is very important to her?

For those of you who have never read it, this interview answers some of the questions about Ted's behaviour in the last series including the visit to Lee Banks. I think it's always been taken as the canon version of what Ted was doing in series 5, although as ever I come back to the fact that he NEVER SAW DEFINATELY WRITTEN IN THE CHAT so couldn't have known about the misspelling!

www.digitalspy.com/tv/a27332344/line-of-duty-season-5-episode-6-explained-jed-mercurio/

Did Ted dob Corbett in to the OCG? I just can’t see why he would - or did the OCG and Banks figure it out? I think Ted genuinely felt awful and guilty - hence the giving of the £50k (which I thought was the act of someone doing a good deed rather than someone bent) to Steph. Or did Ted not care about Corbett until he realised he was Anne-Marie’s son? I need to go back. Not sure why Carmichael is back - other than to be sent finally packing once and for all - they couldn’t have her take over from Ted as the series wouldn’t work. The three “goodies” are all meant to be decent, likeable characters

Maybe he was just embarrassed at being called out on his shit spelling?!

@Hels20

Did Ted dob Corbett in to the OCG? I just can’t see why he would - or did the OCG and Banks figure it out? I think Ted genuinely felt awful and guilty - hence the giving of the £50k (which I thought was the act of someone doing a good deed rather than someone bent) to Steph. Or did Ted not care about Corbett until he realised he was Anne-Marie’s son? I need to go back. Not sure why Carmichael is back - other than to be sent finally packing once and for all - they couldn’t have her take over from Ted as the series wouldn’t work. The three “goodies” are all meant to be decent, likeable characters

Ted lost the plot after Corbett tortured his wife. He issued a farenheit order to Steve who ignored it as it was not appropriate. He then dobbed him in to the gang. It was only after that he found out the connection to Anne Marie and felt guilty.

John Corbett tortured Ted's wife, so this revenge is the most likely explanation for him telling Lee Banks who he was. BUT Lisa McQueen said in her interview at the end of S5 that she knew John was a rat, and this information came from Blackthorn but NOT that that he was an undercover cop (she said "just that he were a rat"). Lee Banks said in last night's episode that Ted told him he was undercover. So either Lee didn't pass that bit on, or Ted didn't tell him.

I don't think Kate will be dead, only because Jed usually shows deaths of major characters on screen. If we've been told that workshopped guns are likely to backfire then we've been told this for a reason.

Gail Vella was lined up to interview every single one of AC-12s bent coppers/OCG members. How did she know who to go after? Someone on an earlier thread suggested that Ted was leaking to her in his frustration at not getting it resolved. This would explain him ditching that laptop far better than the porn explanation (which was totally unconvincing).

All very exciting and it seems SUCH a long time until next Sunday!

The link I've just posted explains why Jed Mercurio thinks Ted told Lee Banks about Corbett.

@PrincessScarlett

I just don't think Jo's parentage is a big enough hold for her to be doing the OCG's bidding. You can't help who your parents are and can easily be explained away to the police, particularly if she didn't know until she was an adult. There must be something else.

It would be if she covered it up or knew and hid it. You need full disclosure in thr police and a senior officer whose father was a major organise crime figure would be absolutely something you’d need to declare.

She may also have been ashamed, and not wanted people to know she was a product of incest and who her father was, so took the decision to do what they wished rather than let everyone know. I mean let’s face it, would you want your colleagues to know you were the product of incest and child abuse?

Obviously I did not sleep well after that episode 😂 this morning I thought the shots at the end sounded like police high velocity rifle shots and two in close succession was similar to the beardy man and his mate being taken out at the gun workshop earlier in the ep. I think Ted and co got there and shot Ryan and Kate is safe.I think jo is safe as I think that they’ll want to reveal the horror to her about her parentage (assuming she doesn’t already know). I think that the 4th H is Osborne but Jimmy Nesbit is Goliath. When you look at other JM series some things are laid out right in front of you and then others come out of left-field. Jimmy Nesbit is one of those. KM is a great actress but she’s not in the same league as Stephen Graham, Lennie James, Keely Hawes or Thandie Newton. Hence we have JN. I also don’t think that there will be a s7. It does all feel like loose ends are being tied up and I assume that JM will end the series on an odd not quite finished note like he did with Bodies. I also think there is something about Ted’s past in the NI troubles and JN being cast that makes me think there is something in that photo I posted yesterday that we don’t quite know right now.

Obviously I have no proof of any of this 🤣

@Piggywaspushed

Ermmm... I am Scottish. We had this discussion last series!

There is a tendency in Glasgow and in N Ireland to pronounce definitely either definettly or defin8tly.

This leads to misspellings. It's a Jed clue.

I can tell you, as an English teacher, it is definately one of the most misspelt words in all home countries. But he definately points to an accent.

In terms of spoilers, I know we have a definition that includes things , imo, very much in the public domain which both the BBC and LOD Twitter expect us to have seen or see. If we really are determined not to see or discuss these things, avoid Shrine of Duty.

That makes sense to me. I'm Scottish and it's a word I struggle to spell

I'm not convinced that James Nesbitt will be in the programme other than by photo. The character retired in 2005, so 15 years ago. He's been aged in the grainy harbour shot whereas the headshot photo is presumably when he was still in service, but it's a fairly recent one of James Nesbitt in real life. I don't think they could age him that convincingly otherwise why not use a younger picture of him.

I hope I'm wrong. Also, there's a possible Northern Ireland connection there and that lingering shot of Ted and other officers from a while back. Not sure Ted has moved to the mainland by then though.

@NameChange2PostThis

So will Lisa McQueen be back because she lied that it was Miroslav that killed Corbett and now Ryan has confessed to his murder? Assuming she will lose her immunity and witness protection because of this. I would love her to return - great character with hidden depths.

Yes I wondered about this.

My other thoughts - Jo couldn't have known she was related to Tommy or been proper OCG from joining the force as she doesn't seem comfortable with the things she's doing, so she's not gone in undercover caddy style...but then if she found out why not just tell the powers that be of the link? If she's been an exemplary PO for years surely it wouldn't go against her to have a shady relative she knew nothing about. Doesn't seem a good enough reason for the OCG to blackmail her to me?

What's happening to Farida? They know Jo put the burner phones in her house so why aren't they releasing her?

Do we know Thurwell? I've watched all the seasons 3 times and don't remember his name? Was he on the list? If yes, surely he would have been an easy arrest? He has to be the 4th man, with the link to Spain etc? He's pulling the strings IMO.

Last night was so fast paced! As is this thread spent all morning reading whilst I should be working!

@Bluntness100 I totally get Jo might be ashamed but to the point of killing someone for the OCG seems a bit extreme. And re disclosure to the police, she might not have been aware until after she started in the police. To me it just doesn't seem enough leverage on who her parents are.