Whose DNA?: Line of Duty thread 6 -May I remind you to post to the letter of the MN law, the letter - no spoilers or you will be served with a reg 15.

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In preparation as we know we will need a new thread for tomorrow night.

I disagree with you - reading far too much into things, not misdirection. Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. Like Hunter being related to Jo. Both Scottish.

@Libelula21

I think the scene where Steve and Chloe interview Fairbanks was significant. Ie: the plot was seemingly not pushed forward at all.

It’s unlike Steve to lose his cool, and I think that was a smokescreen scripted to hide the fact that Fairbank pissed himself when he recognised / worked out who Chloe is.

I know she’s very young, so it’s implausible, but I don’t think she’s not got done kind of edge in this.

I’m asking myself: why was that scene with Fairbanks included?

Drama. Vella killed the very night before she could speak to him? This is the key to it all.

Steve and Chloe race down, and then, nothing to be got from Fairbank now. Steve shouted from frustration and Fairbank wet himself because he was scared by the shouting. So it was a dead end but we see how furious Steve is that this guy has more or less got away with it, and can’t help them.

I’m asking myself: why was that scene with Fairbanks included?

Because Gail was seemingly murdered to stop her speaking to him. If AC-12 could find out what he knew that would require her to be killed, then they’d have a massive lead on who is scuppering the murder enquiry and why, and hence where the corruption in MIT leads back to.

As it turns out, his senility (real or exaggerated) meant that the plot could not be resolved via Fairbanks. And therefore we get another two episodes as the plot is able to continue.

Plus it also showed us that Steve is starting to lose control and is heading into erratic behaviour. And that Chloe is a bloody hard grafter who keeps her head down, does what she is asked, and is good at her job.

So the scene was there because it served multiple plot and character-development purposes.

I don’t know why everyone is adamant that Chloe has to be related to every other black person who has ever been on the show. We’ve already had a reveal that Jo is the issue of sibling incest by a notorious gangster. The revelation that Chloe was also a relative of someone else in the programme would ridiculous!

I do t think Chloe is related to anyone, they already have done it with Jo.

@vannyy

Was Sindwhani lying when he said he was trying to protect AC12?

I think he seemed genuine.

So Jimmy Nesbitt is H then?

@MotherOfGodWeeFella

I disagree with you - reading far too much into things, not misdirection. Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. Like Hunter being related to Jo. Both Scottish.

Indeed. I’m still kicking myself for over-thinking things and dismissing Tommy Hunter as the match as too obvious as they’re both Scottish!

Though to be fair, I didn’t factor in the incest element. That makes it a bit more dramatic!

I think he seemed genuine.

I thought so but don't trust him from his Eastender days! 🤣

It’s unlike Steve to lose his cool, and I think that was a smokescreen scripted to hide the fact that Fairbank pissed himself when he recognised/worked out who Chloe is.

Old man instantly recognises woman he's never seen before and who doesn't resemble any character who has turned up so far? Doesn't seem wildly likely.

@MotherOfGodWeeFella

I disagree with you - reading far too much into things, not misdirection. Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. Like Hunter being related to Jo. Both Scottish.

As a Scot myself, that irritates me. It’s like connecting a Brummie with a Geordie on the basis they both have English accents! From memory, Hunter sounded nothing like Davidson.

But yes, I’m probably overthinking the Chloe line!

The post-it is legit, I got this screenshot myself. It says “Jo Davidson’s DNA has been identified at Farida Jatri’s house. A match has been made to TOMMY HUNTER, stating she is both his niece and daughter.”

@Nith

It’s unlike Steve to lose his cool, and I think that was a smokescreen scripted to hide the fact that Fairbank pissed himself when he recognised/worked out who Chloe is.

Old man instantly recognises woman he's never seen before and who doesn't resemble any character who has turned up so far? Doesn't seem wildly likely.

@GlassBoxSpectacular

Because they are both black and she's upset by police racism and the murder of a black man

Chloe is seemingly Tony Gates’s daughter, Gail Vella’s daughter, and now also a relative of Lawrence Christopher.

Because she’s black and distressed by the widespread cover-up of institutionalised racism

Well the reason people were suggesting she could be Tony Gates’ daughter was because he had a daughter called Chloe. Not just because they’re both black.

@GlassBoxSpectacular @nith

Yes, I guess so - what you say is all true, good points!

If Jo’s the product of incest, who’s Hunter’s sister? And will she have a Scottish accent too? I confess I missed the incest line when watching, so this has me confused now...

I don't trust Sindwhani as far as I could throw him. I don't believe a word he said and I'm sure he'll be showing his true colours again very soon.

Tommy Hunters sister must be in the show too? Or why would they drop in the bit about incest?

From memory, Hunter sounded nothing like Davidson.

To be fair, there is a large swathe of the audience who don’t even remember that Tommy Hunter ever existed let alone exactly what accent he had, so I don’t think they need to be too careful about ensuring that their accents accord to the same square mile.

So I've been rewatching the shoot out scene and the first shot is fired as Kate is still talking.. so I'm fairly sure Kate doesn't fire the first shot. Therefore Ryan fires the first shot - either hits Kate or misses and then ... either Kate (having missed being shot) shoots back OR she has been shot and back up shoots Ryan. Either way Ryan is brown bread.

@GreenSlide

Tommy Hunters sister must be in the show too? Or why would they drop in the bit about incest?

His sister was jos mum.

I get that @Libelula21 - I cannot for the life of me remember what Hunter sounds like so was coming to the simplest of conclusions.

We were all posting that Hunter couldn't be Jo's father because he wasn't old enough, but now we know we were wrong.

@GreenSlide

Tommy Hunters sister must be in the show too? Or why would they drop in the bit about incest?

Why must she be in the show?

She could be dead. 🤷‍♀️

I’d assume the incest detail is there to show that Jo is the product of a highly dysfunctional, abusive criminal background, and also significant in terms of the OCG’s leverage of her, given that she lied about her next of kin and was vehement in telling Farida that she has no family.

@MissDollyMix

So I've been rewatching the shoot out scene and the first shot is fired as Kate is still talking.. so I'm fairly sure Kate doesn't fire the first shot. Therefore Ryan fires the first shot - either hits Kate or misses and then ... either Kate (having missed being shot) shoots back OR she has been shot and back up shoots Ryan. Either way Ryan is brown bread.

Or, given that Ryan makes a point dropping in the anvil-like detail of him using a workshopped gun, and given that they made a point of telling us that not even the work-experience bookie bandits would touch those workshopped guns as they looked too shonky, Ryan pulled the trigger and it back-fired, handily killing or maiming him?

I’m a bit about the “is both his niece and his daughter” thing. My knowledge of DNA testing is not complete but I don’t think you could state that as a fact unless you also had Jo’s mother’s DNA.
A) because DNA profiling on incomplete samples, (which this would be because they only have whatever they found at Farida’s gaff) doesn’t necessarily exactly fit the percentage matches from your GCSE text books and
B) because there are always other possible relationships that match the available evidence if you add the possibilities of half siblings, incest further up the family tree or a history of cousin marriage.

The best you could say is “probable father and also another blood relationship - possibly uncle”.

On the other hand it’s only a post-it note so I guess that would explain the flaky terms. I’d like to have seen a ? before Uncle though.

I agree about Chekhov’s workshopped shooter. Given that even the clueless kids decided that they were too risky, it’s going to go off in Ryan’s smug face.

Penultimately (I’m catching up while I’m on a bus) I don’t think that Chloe is underwritten or intimately connected with other cases because I remember the organic way that Maneet was gradually built up from “competent background copper who ran reports” to beloved doomed heroine. Slow burn is great for background characters.

Also she’s a replacement for Tatleen, because that actress got a better role. It is possible that when that decision was made Jed suddenly rewrote an entire subplot with Tony Gates’ daughter/a previous crime victims relative, and it’s also possible that it’s a lie about the Tatleen actress getting a better role and having to leave them in the lurch, but actually I think the most likely explanation is that Chloe is what she appears to be, a bloody good copper who’s angry and distressed about the Lawrence Christopher case. I was angry and distressed reading about the Christopher Alder case and I’m neither a cop nor black.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Christopher_Alder

@BentBastard

Hey ha "Unclear why Carl Banks had to be killed later on at the moment."

It's because he shouted his mouth off in the pub heard by that Alistair Chiz guy.

I don't know....I mean I know that's the presented story but seems a bit random that an experienced OCG killer would be that stupid.

Still, we've learned not to overcomplicate things haven't we so you're probably right to take it as presented and I'm just seeing things that aren't there 😂